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I Rotational Inertia Gas vs Liquid

  1. Apr 7, 2016 #1
    I am conducting an experiment that rotates a sealed donut cylinder to investigate amongst other things the inertia of the contained fluid.


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    Process
    I rotate the cylinder to a set speed (assuming that the viscosity of the internal fluid will end up rotating the fluid to solid body rotation) then rapidly stop the vessel.

    I have noticed little effect when I have filled the vessel is filled just with Air in fact no discernable effect
    much akin to when you turn a fan off the flow seems to stop immediately with water the inertial flow is much greater and lasts longer

    My question

    Is this only because of the differences between air and water Kinematic viscosities
    Air 15.11 cSt
    Water 1.004 cst

    meaning that viscous effects stop the dynamic pressure of air very quickly or is there other effects at play ?
    Some come to mind
    Gas vs Liquid - rate of diffusion ?
    I would think that a gas would diffuse energy throughout the sealed vessel at a much greater rate due to the low interaction of particles where as a liquid which would have to displace molecules that contain there own dynamic pressure .

    Total Mass
    Could the net mass of the flow - (where as air has a mass of 1.35 kg/m3 water has a a mass of 1000kg/m3 be a factor ) for the equivalent volume and flow rate (from solid body rotation) the developed inertia contained in this volume is less to begin with
     
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  3. Apr 7, 2016 #2

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    Kinematic viscosity is not the right property to use here. Use dynamic viscosity. Water is much more viscous than air (about 100 times more viscous). This would imply that water should stop faster based on viscosity alone.

    Viscosity is not alone, however. Water is also about 1000 times as dense, as air, so it requires more force (or a longer time) to stop it. That is where your observations come from.

    Also, when it comes to diffusion, it's not diffusion of energy you should think about here. The important parameter is diffusion of momentum. The diffusion coefficient for momentum in a fluid is, you may have guessed, viscosity.
     
  4. Apr 8, 2016 #3
    Thanks for the reply
    If I can restate your answer to confirm I understand

    The only difference in flow degredation is to due to the kinematic viscosity difference - differences in mass and phase are accounted for in the kinematic viscosity

    If the density/volumemass of air and water were equivalent then the flow (dynamic pressure) would be equivalent between air and water
    ##m_{air}=m_{water} ##
    ##Dp=\frac{1}{2}m v^2##
    ##Dp=\frac{1}{2}m_{water} v^2##
    ##Dp=\frac{1}{2}m_{air} v^2##
    ##Dp_{air} =DP_{water} ##

    If this was the case then water having a higher absolute viscosity by a factor of 50 would experience a quicker degradation as viscosity acts independent of the flow density

    ##μ_{water} =1.004pas##
    ##μ_{air} =0.01983pas##

    ##\frac{μ_{water} }{ μ_{air} }##

    ##\frac{μ_{water} 1.004pas}{ μ_{air} 0.01983pas} =50##

    The reason I see air flow degrade quicker is that it is acting at a rate only ~ 50 times less on a dynamic pressure related to density of a ~ 1000 times less leading to our ratio of kinematic viscosities of ~ 16

    In short the inertial flow of air should degrade 16times the rate the water does

    If I wish to achieve the highest level of inertial momentum preservation (for my given volume) I should use the lowest kinematic viscosity fluid available - such as acetone ?
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2016
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