Rotational Motion and torque problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around concepts of rotational motion and torque, specifically addressing questions about torque related to weight, vertical velocities of points on a rolling sphere, and the implications of multiple forces acting on a body. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects of physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the torque of the weight of a body about any vertical axis is zero only if the axis passes through the center of mass.
  • There is agreement that a sphere rolling on a horizontal surface has points with vertical velocities, with specific points moving upward or downward depending on their position relative to a vertical line through the center.
  • Participants propose that when several forces act on a particle, the torque of the resultant force can be considered valid even if the forces act on different particles, provided their lines of action intersect at a common point.
  • It is suggested that in pure rolling, the angular velocity is independent of the distance from the axis of rotation because the angle subtended does not depend on that distance.
  • A later reply clarifies that any point along a vertical line through the center of the sphere will have no vertical velocity, not just the extreme points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on some aspects, such as the vertical velocities of points on the sphere and the conditions under which torque is considered. However, there are nuances and clarifications that indicate ongoing exploration and some disagreement, particularly regarding the conditions for torque and angular velocity.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the axis of rotation and the nature of forces acting on the body may not be fully articulated, leading to potential limitations in the discussion. The dependency on definitions of torque and angular velocity is also noted but not resolved.

Alche
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1)The torque of the weight of anybody about any vertical axis is 0. Is it always true?

2)A sphere rolls on a horizontal surface. Is there any point of the sphere which has a vertical velocity?

3) When several forces acts on a particle we take the torque of the resultant force. Is this result valid for the force acting on different particles of a body in such a way that their lines of action intersect at a common point ?

4)In pure rolling angular velocity is independent of the distance r from the axis of rotation. Why ?
 
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1. Not unless the axis passes through the centre of mass.
2.yes
3.yes
4.The angle subtended doesn't depend on r & hence neither does the angular velocity.
 
Eynstone said:
1. Not unless the axis passes through the centre of mass.
2.yes
3.yes
4.The angle subtended doesn't depend on r & hence neither does the angular velocity.

Can you tell which point has vertical velocity for second question
 
Alche said:
2)A sphere rolls on a horizontal surface. Is there any point of the sphere which has a vertical velocity?

Suppose the sphere is rolling to the left. Draw a vertical line through the centre. Every point on the sphere to the right of the line is moving upward, every point to the left is moving downward. The only points on the surface that have zero vertical velocity are the point in contact with the ground, and the point directly opposite (the highest point on the surface). Edit: My bad. I should have said, any point along the vertical line will have no vertical velocity, not just the points at the extreme ends of the line.
 
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