Rotational motion - i just with net forces

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The discussion revolves around a problem in rotational motion involving two masses, m_1 and m_2, connected by a string. The scenario includes a mass on a frictionless table and a hanging mass, with the goal of determining the speed required for m_1 to maintain m_2 at rest.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between radial forces and tension in the string, questioning how to connect the tension from m_2 to the radial force acting on m_1. They discuss the equations of motion for both masses and the conditions for equilibrium.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising various equations and attempting to clarify the relationships between the forces involved. There is a focus on understanding the role of tension and centripetal force, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the connection between the forces acting on m_1 and m_2, particularly regarding the tension in the string and its implications for the system's equilibrium.

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1. Mass m_1 on the frictionless table of the figure is connected by a string through a hole in the table to a hanging mass m_2.

With what speed must m_1 rotate in a circle of radius r if m_2 is to remain hanging at rest?


http://session.masteringphysics.com/problemAsset/1073602/3/knight_Figure_08_30.jpgp

2. F_radial = mv^2/r
omega = v/r




3. I know that F_z = 0 = normal - mg
What is F_radial? I don't see how to connect the tension caused by m2 to force in the radial direction...
 
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If T is the tension in the string, acceleration of m_2 is given by
mg - T = m_2*a.
Similarly write down the expression for m_1. When the system is at rest a = ?
 
I would have thought m_2*a = t - mg downward. This would not be motion in the radial direction. there is an inward radial force on m1 involving T. it's also obviously connected to m2, but how?

m_1*a = -m_2*T is my intuition but I think it is wrong...
 
The acceleration of both must be zero.
The centripetal force is provided by the tension in the string.
So T = ?
The system will remain at rest it T - mg = ?
Find the values of T from two equations and equate them to get the condition.
 

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