Rubik's cube group element with the smallest order

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The discussion revolves around identifying elements of the Rubik's cube group with the smallest order, excluding the identity element. Participants explore various examples and methods for finding such elements, including specific moves and their orders.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that twisting any face of the Rubik's cube 180 degrees results in an element of order 2, which is the smallest non-identity order.
  • Others suggest specific sequences, such as R2 or R2L2U2D2F2B2, as potential examples of elements with small orders.
  • There is a discussion about finding elements of order 10, given that 10 is a divisor of 1260, the largest order of any element in the group.
  • One participant proposes applying a specific sequence (RU^2D^{-1}BD^{-1}) multiple times to achieve an element of order 10, although they express reluctance to perform the calculation.
  • Another participant mentions using a Rubik's cube solver to convert sequences into different notations and to find optimal solutions for specific configurations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of elements of order 2 and discuss various methods to find elements of other orders. However, there is no consensus on the ease of finding elements of order 10 or the specific sequences to use.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the practicality of finding elements of certain orders and the complexity of converting between different notation systems.

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Wikipedia says that largest order of any element of Rubik's cube group is 1260 [PLAIN]http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/e/1/c/e1cff178a2562422492a4140a38f93ff.png. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubik's_Cube_group
What about element of smallest order (except the identity element)? I'll appreciate any example with small order.
 
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Ahmed Abdullah said:
What about element of smallest order (except the identity element)? I'll appreciate any
How about R2, or R2L2U2D2F2B2
If you have an element G of order n, you can easily find an element with an order of any divisor d of n
G^{n/d}
 
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Twisting any of the faces 180 degrees will have order 2, the smallest possible non-identity order.

[edit] @willem2 beat me to it :D
 
jbunniii said:
Twisting any of the faces 180 degrees will have order 2, the smallest possible non-identity order.

Thank you. These are kind of uninteresting. Any interesting examples ... :)
 
willem2 said:
How about R2, or R2L2U2D2F2B2
If you have an element G of order n, you can easily find an element with an order of any divisor d of n
G^{n/d}
Is it easy to find? For example 10 divides the 1260 (order of
e1cff178a2562422492a4140a38f93ff.png
). How I am going to find an element of order 10 from this ... ??
 
Ahmed Abdullah said:
Is it easy to find? For example 10 divides the 1260 (order of
e1cff178a2562422492a4140a38f93ff.png
). How I am going to find an element of order 10 from this ... ??
Apply ##(RU^2D^{-1}BD^{-1})## 1260/10 = 126 times. It will be good exercise for your wrists. :-)
 
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jbunniii said:
Apply ##(RU^2D^{-1}BD^{-1})## 1260/10 = 126 times. It will be good exercise for your wrists. :)
I am not going to do that :)
 
jbunniii said:
Apply ##(RU^2D^{-1}BD^{-1})## 1260/10 = 126 times. It will be good exercise for your wrists. :)

But how I'll convert that position to L R U D notation?
 
Ahmed Abdullah said:
But how I'll convert that position to L R U D notation?
google for "rubiks cube solver"
 
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willem2 said:
google for "rubiks cube solver"
Thank you very much. Now I know.
 
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Ahmed Abdullah said:
Thank you very much. Now I know.
This was actually a serious reply. Solvers that can find an optimum solution exist.
I downloaded the solver from http://kociemba.org/cube.htm and pasted in RU2D'BD' 126 times, and it immediately found D' R D2 R' D2 R F D2 F' D' R' D2
to generate the same pattern
 
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willem2 said:
This was actually a serious reply.

I know. And I found it extremely helpful. What I meant by "Now I know" is that, I can find out notation for any position by simply solving it by the cube solver. Actually it was the best thing that happened on the day. Thanks. :)
 

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