Sample of gas is compressed at a constant temperature

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a gas sample being compressed at constant temperature, specifically examining the relationship between pressure, volume, and the rate of volume change over time. The problem is framed within the context of the ideal gas law, where the product of pressure and volume remains constant.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the implications of the relationship PV = C and question the behavior of volume change over time during compression. There is a focus on understanding the rate of change of volume (dV/dt) and its relation to pressure changes (dP/dt). Some participants express confusion regarding their interpretations of the graph representing these changes.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their interpretations and questioning assumptions about the behavior of the gas under compression. Some guidance is offered regarding the relationship between the graph of a function and its derivative, but no consensus has been reached on the correct understanding of the volume change rates.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the compression is steady, and there is some ambiguity regarding the interpretation of the term "steadily compressed." The discussion also highlights the potential confusion arising from the relationship between pressure and volume as the compression progresses.

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Problem: When a sample of gas is compressed at a constant temperature, the product of the pressure and the volume remains constant:

PV = C

Q: A sample of gas is in a container at low pressure and its steadily compressed at constant temperature for 10 minutes. Is the volume decreasing more rapidly at the beginning of 10 minutes or at the end of 10 minutes?

A: dV/dt = -C/P^2(dP/dt)

By looking at my graph... at the end of 10 seconds dV/dt is approaching smaller and smaller values... thus I picked "end of 10 seconds" ... but the answer is beginning of 10 seconds... what did I do wrong?
 

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Hmm, the question says "steadily compressed" which I take to mean that dP/dt is a constant function. But... (removed).

Aargh, sorry, it's late, ignore this.
 
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Miike012 said:
Problem: When a sample of gas is compressed at a constant temperature, the product of the pressure and the volume remains constant:

PV = C

Q: A sample of gas is in a container at low pressure and its steadily compressed at constant temperature for 10 minutes. Is the volume decreasing more rapidly at the beginning of 10 minutes or at the end of 10 minutes?

A: dV/dt = -C/P^2(dP/dt)

By looking at my graph... at the end of 10 seconds dV/dt is approaching smaller and smaller values... thus I picked "end of 10 seconds" ... but the answer is beginning of 10 seconds... what did I do wrong?

I'm assuming this is a graph of dV/dt versus t.

At the beginning of the 10-minute interval, dV/dt is smaller (more negative) than at the end of the interval. This means that V is decreasing more at the beginning of the interval than at the end.

There is a connection between a the graph of a function and its derivative.

f' > 0 on an interval ==> f is increasing on that interval
f' < 0 on an interval ==> f is decreasing on that interval
 
From PV= C, the pressure increases as the volume decreases. At the end of the compression, P will be greater than at the beginning so that 1/P^2 will be less.
 

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