Say Hi to Web Developer from Philippines Interested in Physics

[dirty9]

hi! people.

I'm a web developer.

but I'm interested in physics.

from Philippines.

 

[lisab]

Hi dirty9 - welcome to PF!

 

[humanino]

hi! people.

I'm a web developer.

but I'm interested in physics.

from Philippines.

Hi dirty9,

I'm a physicist.

But I'm interested in web development !

Would you like to come over for dinner ?

 

[Danger]

Welcome to PF, Dirty9.
What's your favourite fish?

 

[hypatia]

Hello, welcome.

 

[dirty9]

Hi dirty9,
I'm a physicist.
But I'm interested in web development !
Would you like to come over for dinner ?

Why do you want to learn web development humanino?
and what part of web development?

@danger
Fish that makes my eyesight clearer.

thank you.

 

[lisab]

hi! people.

I'm a web developer.

but I'm interested in physics.

from Philippines.

What a coincidence--I have a spider who is a web developer! His website is the darkest corner of my kitchen .

Hmmmm, a fish that makes your eyesight clearer...well if you eat a diet rich in omega-3 oils, it can reduce your chance of getting macular degeneration:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13804393

But at PF we don't eat the fish, we use them to give (gentle...very gentle) welcome-slaps to newcomers.

 

[humanino]

Why do you want to learn web development humanino?

For my own server

and what part of web development?

The gypsy guitar one

 

[arildno]

hi! people.

I'm a web developer.

but I'm interested in physics.

from Philippines.

A mackerel up your nose.

 

[Math Is Hard]

I'm an analyst, but I'm interested in physicists.

 

[rewebster]

I'm a guy, and I'm interested in Physicals




(hmmm--I think there needs to be a few more qualifiers in that statement)

 

[Moonbear]

I'm an analyst, but I'm interested in physicists.

Hmm...I always thought it was your psychology studies that made you interested in physicists.

I'm not so fussy, I'm interested in both physicists and engineers. Oh, and I'm a biologist.

 

[Evo]

I'm interested in physicists and industrial microbiologists.

Oh and mad scientist inventors. I'm watching him now on the "tv" he set up. This is fun. Impressive, he's been building this thing for awhile now and hasn't injured himself once.

 

[tiny-tim]

People who need fish …

… are the luckiest people in the world … ! ​

 

[dirty9]

But at PF we don't eat the fish, we use them to give (gentle...very gentle) welcome-slaps to newcomers.

The fish? it's not a slap for me i knew it was a logical question regarding physics.
But i have the right to answer it my way because physics is not my field.

thank again guys.

 

[Danger]

What a coincidence--I have a spider who is a web developer! His website is the darkest corner of my kitchen .

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1277/hackerpfjpg0nu.gif

Sorry... I couldn't help it.

 

[Redbelly98]

People who need fish …

… are the luckiest people in the world … ! ​

That reminds me of an old proverb, I think it went like this:

Teach a man to fish and he will pay you for a day.
Give a man fish, and he will pay you for a lifetime.

 

[Evo]

That reminds me of an old proverb, I think it went like this:

Teach a man to fish and he will pay you for a day.
Give a man fish, and he will pay you for a lifetime.

It's a proverb from the bible which goes something like

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

 

[dirty9]

Are you guys familiar or support "Distributed Computing Projects" like boinc?

just curious.

 

[Redbelly98]

Evo, yes, that's it. I should have put a smiley or "jk" after my post :-)

 

[Danger]

It's a proverb form the bible which goes something like

I liked Yomamma's version a lot better, but a forums search won't acknowledge his existence.
The best that I can recall, without being able to find the original, is:
Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

 

[Moonbear]

That reminds me of an old proverb, I think it went like this:

Teach a man to fish and he will pay you for a day.
Give a man fish, and he will pay you for a lifetime.

 

[Evo]

I liked Yomamma's version a lot better, but a forums search won't acknowledge his existence.
The best that I can recall, without being able to find the original, is:
Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

I remember that!

 

[Evo]

Evo, yes, that's it. I should have put a smiley or "jk" after my post :-)

It just reminds me that there was this one guy at work that we hired and he was worthless. What we refer to as a "hiring mistake". The guy couldn't do anything on his own, completely unable to make a decision. No matter how many times you told him what to do he would still ask every single time. Finally my boss came to me and told me that she couldn't take the guy anymore, she couldn't get anything done, he was always asking her what to do. So I told her to send him to me.

When he got to my office I said "Sit down David, I'm going to teach you how to fish."
Anyway, we fired him, he couldn't fish.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Hmm...I always thought it was your psychology studies that made you interested in physicists.

They actually do come up in the literature now and then, often in a field called Perceptual Learning. There's some very interesting work on how experts and novices perceive and classify problems. Physics problems are sometimes used in this research.

Novices tend to classify problems by surface-level features. Experts consistently ignore these, readily perceiving the underlying structure of a problem, and using this as the categorization basis. Here's an example of the difference in classifying schemes and reasoning:

http://www.nap.edu/html/howpeople1/ch2_f4.html

The Perceptual Learning take on this is that becoming an expert doesn't just entail gathering lots and lots of knowledge, often there are dramatic changes in perception and attention. When examining a problem, suppression of the irrelevant features available to a person's attention is as critical as the enhancement of relevant ones. It's much like a transition from serial to parallel search. The important structural invariants just pop out as a whole for the experts, while the novices wade through irrelevant perceptual distractors seeking structure.

ok, whoa, I'm rambling.

 

[fuzzyfelt]

I paint, but find physics and maths inspirational, as well as MIH's previous post. Please ramble!

 

[tiny-tim]

Hi dirty9!

I forgot to say …

Welcome to PF! ​

Are you guys familiar or support "Distributed Computing Projects" like boinc?

just curious.

hmm … I think you've lost control of this thread …

happens sometimes … something to do with sea-water in the server, and the lack of good quality fish …

if you want a serious discussion on boinc, you'd better start another thread!

 

[Redbelly98]

… something to do with sea-water in the server, and the lack of good quality fish …

So what's this fish thing all about? I joined here about a month ago and keep seeing references to it. I'm not much of a seafood person myself, but I guess shrimp is my favorite.

 

[dirty9]

redbelly98 please use sometimes your head.

it's not a fish that you can eat. it's a Physics Fish.

If I'm not mistaken it means --> Method, apparatus and applications for combining transmit wave functions to obtain synthetic waveform in ultrasonic imaging system.

 

[Danger]

Naw... it's just that our welcoming ceremony constists of you being whapped upside the face with a fish. Those who choose a smaller species have a higher survival rate.

 

[Evo]

Naw... it's just that our welcoming ceremony constists of you being whapped upside the face with a fish. Those who choose a smaller species have a higher survival rate.

No, no, we never hit in the face.

 

[Danger]

No, no, we never hit in the face.

So you hit me in the balls on purpose?! You told me that was an accident...

 

[Evo]

So you hit me in the balls on purpose?! You told me that was an accident...

You know how accident prone I am.

 

[Kurdt]

Welcome dirty9!

Danger: yomamma is now JamesU.

And keep talking psychology MIH.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Thanks, fuzzyfelt and Kurdt.

As for you, RedBelly..

<sssSSHHCRUNNChhh!>

That was jumbo, deep fried, and shell on.

 

[Borek]

Novices tend to classify problems by surface-level features. Experts consistently ignore these, readily perceiving the underlying structure of a problem, and using this as the categorization basis.

Whoa, an eye-opener I am an expert, I always concentrate on what is under the quilt, not on what is visible above.

More ramble, please.

 

[Math Is Hard]

Whoa, an eye-opener I am an expert, I always concentrate on what is under the quilt, not on what is visible above.

More ramble, please.

Borek
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http://www.chembuddy.com
http://www.ph-meter.info

I'm going to try to start a thread on perceptual learning when I get some time. I took a class from a PL guru last quarter and he introduced us to lots of interesting research. I want to gather and summarize some of the "goodies" he gave us to read. A major focus of the class was on applications of PL research to math learning, so some folks here, especially teachers, might find that interesting (I hope).

 

[Evo]

MIH, what is your degree in?

 

[Danger]

MIH, what is your degree in?

Sex education; but she's an experimentalist, not a theoretician.

 

[phyzmatix]

Sex education; but she's an experimentalist, not a theoretician.

Sex? What is...?

...wait! EUREKA! I remember!

*runs off looking for wife*

 

[Math Is Hard]

MIH, what is your degree in?

It's in cognitive science, with a specialization in computing.

(Danger, I'll leave the sex education to Moonbear. )

 

[fuzzyfelt]

I'm going to try to start a thread on perceptual learning when I get some time. I took a class from a PL guru last quarter and he introduced us to lots of interesting research. I want to gather and summarize some of the "goodies" he gave us to read. A major focus of the class was on applications of PL research to math learning, so some folks here, especially teachers, might find that interesting (I hope).

A better understanding of perception and cognition can also be interesting for art-minded persons, too. I'd like to write about that in the art and arts thread, but will be away from the computer for a while, but will think about how I might do that while I'm away.

 

[Math Is Hard]

A better understanding of perception and cognition can also be interesting for art-minded persons, too. I'd like to write about that in the art and arts thread, but will be away from the computer for a while, but will think about how I might do that while I'm away.

You just reminded me that we had a considerable number of art majors in my "sensation and perception" psychology class. That was a really fun class because we studied depth cues and illusions.

 

[Borek]

I'm going to try to start a thread on perceptual learning when I get some time.

Honestly - I have spend over 10 years close to dyslexia therapy (see dyslektyk for an idea what I was doing there - note that the page is in Polish, so you have to guess details from pictures). I have seen unbelivable amounts of snake oil and mumbo jumbo built around combinations of words like perceptual, cognitive, sensory, learning and therapy (and others).

I am not assuming "perceptual learning" fits the same category, but you may have a hard time convincing me

 

[Math Is Hard]

Honestly - I have spend over 10 years close to dyslexia therapy (see dyslektyk for an idea what I was doing there - note that the page is in Polish, so you have to guess details from pictures).

What were you working on? That looks like some kind of a software training program designed to help people with dyslexia. Is that what is was? Was it effective? I spent several years working in educational software. I always hoped I could work on a program that could help people with dyscalculia (math problems).

I have seen unbelivable amounts of snake oil and mumbo jumbo built around combinations of words like perceptual, cognitive, sensory, learning and therapy (and others).

I hear you. Words like "perceptual, cognitive, sensory" make very good marketing buzzwords. Not unlike "quantum". I think there's always an opportunist ready to take the tinest crumb of a legitimate research finding, pump it up and twist it for their purposes, and milk a book or a product out of it.

I am not assuming "perceptual learning" fits the same category, but you may have a hard time convincing me

I wouldn't dream of trying to convince you of anything. I was simply thinking about sharing some studies on perceptual learning that I found interesting. If you find problems with the design or analysis of the studies, I think that's really helpful.

 

[Borek]

What were you working on? That looks like some kind of a software training program designed to help people with dyslexia. Is that what is was? Was it effective? I spent several years working in educational software. I always hoped I could work on a program that could help people with dyscalculia (math problems).

Two programs for dyslexic children. Both are sets of simple exercises. Dyslektyk is built mostly around visual analysis, Sposób na dysleksję ("method for dyslexia" or "way of dealing with dyslexia") mostly around phonetics. Nothing very fancy - but kids like them. Therapists in Poland like them too. No idea if the programs are effective - I have never found a reliable way of checking (by that I mean method that I will trust, not the one that could give good looking results ready to be used in ads). Even if these programs are not effecitve in dyslexia therapy, they for sure train hand-eye coordination, attention, concentration and so on, so using them won't hurt. If you are interested I can try to dig out materials in English that I have prepared in 2000, could be I even have somewhere version of Dyslektyk with English menus. I was not able to find anyone interested in publishing English version, could be I have not tried hard enough. I have a Finnish version published though.

I was thinkg about dyscalculia therapy software at some moment, but decided against. While dyslexia is perceived as a problem, dyscalculia is not - there is no public awareness. There is no market - and my programs are purely commercial, if they don't sell, I am getting hungry.

I hear you. Words like "perceptual, cognitive, sensory" make very good marketing buzzwords. Not unlike "quantum". I think there's always an opportunist ready to take the tinest crumb of a legitimate research finding, pump it up and twist it for their purposes, and milk a book or a product out of it.

Couldn't put it better by myself.