Scalar potential of a function F, stuck on curl(F) = 0

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the function F defined as F = e^yz (1, xz, xy) and the investigation of whether curl(F) equals zero. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the existence of a scalar potential based on their calculations of the curl.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to compute the curl of the function F and questions their differentiation process, specifically regarding the application of the chain rule and product rule. Some participants raise concerns about the correctness of the product rule application in the differentiation steps.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's reasoning, providing feedback on differentiation techniques. There is a recognition of potential errors in the application of differentiation rules, but no consensus on the overall conclusion regarding the scalar potential has been reached.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions that they were not explicitly asked to test if curl(F) equals zero, indicating a possible constraint in the homework guidelines. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the implications of the curl not being zero for the existence of a scalar potential.

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Homework Statement



I have a function F defined in a slightly strange way, and I'm not asked to test if curl(F) == 0, but I thought I would do this as part of my working out. Lo and behold, it looks like it doesn't == 0, and this means, as far as I know, that there is no scalar potential but I'm quite sure that this is not correct.

Homework Equations



F = e^yz (1, xz, xy)

The Attempt at a Solution



I multiplied the e^yz factor to each part of the function

F = (e^yz, e^yz . xz, e^yz . xy)

Then I perform the cross product of the gradient operator and the function F (dx, dy, dz are partial derivatives, please excuse my notation)

Code:
|    i           j               k         |
|   dx         dy             dz        |
| e^yz  (e^yz . xz)  (e^yz . xy) |

= (z.e^yz .x - y.e^yz .x) - (e^yz .y - e^yz) + (e^yz .x - z.e^yz) != 0

am I correct in my partial differentiation of (for example) d/dy e^yz = ze^yz - I'm treating z as a constant and using the chain rule?
 
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Adyssa said:

Homework Statement



I have a function F defined in a slightly strange way, and I'm not asked to test if curl(F) == 0, but I thought I would do this as part of my working out. Lo and behold, it looks like it doesn't == 0, and this means, as far as I know, that there is no scalar potential but I'm quite sure that this is not correct.

Homework Equations



F = e^yz (1, xz, xy)

The Attempt at a Solution



I multiplied the e^yz factor to each part of the function

F = (e^yz, e^yz . xz, e^yz . xy)

Then I perform the cross product of the gradient operator and the function F (dx, dy, dz are partial derivatives, please excuse my notation)

Code:
|    i           j               k         |
|   dx         dy             dz        |
| e^yz  (e^yz . xz)  (e^yz . xy) |

= (z.e^yz .x - y.e^yz .x) - (e^yz .y - e^yz) + (e^yz .x - z.e^yz) != 0

am I correct in my partial differentiation of (for example) d/dy e^yz = ze^yz - I'm treating z as a constant and using the chain rule?

I don't think you are using the product rule correctly. If you differentiating (e^yz)(xy) you need to apply the product rule (fg)'=f'g+fg'.
 
Dick said:
I don't think you are using the product rule correctly. If you're differentiating e^(yz)(xy), you need to apply the product rule (fg)'=f'g+fg'.
In other words,
[itex]\displaystyle \frac{\partial}{\partial y}\left(e^{yz} xy\right)=\left(\frac{\partial}{\partial y}e^{yz}\right)xy+e^{yz}\left(\frac{\partial}{ \partial y}xy\right)\,.[/itex]
Etc.
 
Facepalm! Yep, that will do it, thanks for the tip.
 

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