Scalar potential of a function F, stuck on curl(F) = 0

In summary, the conversation is about a function F defined in a slightly strange way and the attempt to test if curl(F) == 0. The function is F = e^yz (1, xz, xy) and the attempt at a solution involves multiplying the e^yz factor to each part of the function and performing a cross product with the gradient operator. However, it seems that the product rule is not being applied correctly in the differentiation process.
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Adyssa
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Homework Statement



I have a function F defined in a slightly strange way, and I'm not asked to test if curl(F) == 0, but I thought I would do this as part of my working out. Lo and behold, it looks like it doesn't == 0, and this means, as far as I know, that there is no scalar potential but I'm quite sure that this is not correct.

Homework Equations



F = e^yz (1, xz, xy)

The Attempt at a Solution



I multiplied the e^yz factor to each part of the function

F = (e^yz, e^yz . xz, e^yz . xy)

Then I perform the cross product of the gradient operator and the function F (dx, dy, dz are partial derivatives, please excuse my notation)

Code:
|    i           j               k         |
|   dx         dy             dz        |
| e^yz  (e^yz . xz)  (e^yz . xy) |

= (z.e^yz .x - y.e^yz .x) - (e^yz .y - e^yz) + (e^yz .x - z.e^yz) != 0

am I correct in my partial differentiation of (for example) d/dy e^yz = ze^yz - I'm treating z as a constant and using the chain rule?
 
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Adyssa said:

Homework Statement



I have a function F defined in a slightly strange way, and I'm not asked to test if curl(F) == 0, but I thought I would do this as part of my working out. Lo and behold, it looks like it doesn't == 0, and this means, as far as I know, that there is no scalar potential but I'm quite sure that this is not correct.

Homework Equations



F = e^yz (1, xz, xy)

The Attempt at a Solution



I multiplied the e^yz factor to each part of the function

F = (e^yz, e^yz . xz, e^yz . xy)

Then I perform the cross product of the gradient operator and the function F (dx, dy, dz are partial derivatives, please excuse my notation)

Code:
|    i           j               k         |
|   dx         dy             dz        |
| e^yz  (e^yz . xz)  (e^yz . xy) |

= (z.e^yz .x - y.e^yz .x) - (e^yz .y - e^yz) + (e^yz .x - z.e^yz) != 0

am I correct in my partial differentiation of (for example) d/dy e^yz = ze^yz - I'm treating z as a constant and using the chain rule?

I don't think you are using the product rule correctly. If you differentiating (e^yz)(xy) you need to apply the product rule (fg)'=f'g+fg'.
 
  • #3
Dick said:
I don't think you are using the product rule correctly. If you're differentiating e^(yz)(xy), you need to apply the product rule (fg)'=f'g+fg'.
In other words,
[itex]\displaystyle \frac{\partial}{\partial y}\left(e^{yz} xy\right)=\left(\frac{\partial}{\partial y}e^{yz}\right)xy+e^{yz}\left(\frac{\partial}{ \partial y}xy\right)\,.[/itex]
Etc.
 
  • #4
Facepalm! Yep, that will do it, thanks for the tip.
 

FAQ: Scalar potential of a function F, stuck on curl(F) = 0

1. What is the scalar potential of a function?

The scalar potential of a function is a mathematical concept used in vector calculus to describe a scalar quantity that can be derived from a vector field. It represents the potential energy associated with a conservative vector field.

What does it mean when curl(F) = 0?

When curl(F) = 0, it means that the vector field F is irrotational, which indicates that the vector field is conservative. This means that the path taken by a particle moving through the field does not affect the work done by the field on the particle.

How is the scalar potential of a function related to curl(F) = 0?

The scalar potential function is derived from a vector field F such that curl(F) = 0. This means that the scalar potential is a function of the vector field and can be used to describe the conservative nature of the field.

Can a vector field have a scalar potential if curl(F) ≠ 0?

No, a vector field can only have a scalar potential if curl(F) = 0. This is because the curl of a vector field represents its rotation, and for a scalar potential to exist, the vector field must be irrotational.

How is the scalar potential of a function used in practical applications?

The scalar potential of a function has various applications in physics and engineering. It is used to calculate the work done by conservative forces, such as gravitational and electric fields, and to determine the equilibrium points in a system. It is also used in fluid dynamics to study the flow of fluids in a conservative field.

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