Continuity ##f:\mathbb_{R}^3 \to \mathbb_{R}## with Lipschitz

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The discussion revolves around proving the continuity of the function \( f(x,y,z) = xyz \) using the Lipschitz condition. Participants are exploring the implications of the Lipschitz condition in the context of continuity in three-dimensional space.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Lipschitz condition and question the independence of the constant \( C \) from the variables involved. There is also a consideration of different norms for measuring distances in \( \mathbb{R}^3 \). Some suggest an inductive approach to establish the Lipschitz continuity of the function by relating it to simpler cases.

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There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, including the validity of the original poster's attempts and the implications of using different norms. Some participants have provided guidance on the structure of the proof and the relationship between Lipschitz continuity and continuity.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, such as the need for the Lipschitz constant to be independent of the variables and the specific norm being used for the distance measure. There is also an ongoing discussion about the validity of certain steps in the reasoning process.

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Homework Statement



Prove
## f(x,y,z)=xyw## is continuos using the Lipschitz condition

Homework Equations



the Lipschitz condition states:
##|f(x,y,z)-f(x_0,y_0,z_0)| \leq C ||(x,y,z)-(x_0,y_0,z_0)||##
with ##0 \leq C##

The Attempt at a Solution



##|xyz-x_0y_0z_0|=|xyz-x_0y_0z_0+x_0yz-x_0yz|\leq|(x-x_0)(yz)|+|x_0(yz-y_0z_0)|##
##\leq|(x-x_0)(yz)|+|x_0(yz-y_0z_0+yz_0-yz_0)| \leq |yz(x-x_0)|+|x_0[y(z-z_0)+z_0(y-y_0)]|##
## \leq |yz(x-x_0)|+|x_0y(z-z_0)|+|x_0z_0(y-y_0)|##
and by choosing ##C=max\{|yz|,|x_0y|,|x_0z_0|\}## I have my inequality.
I'm not sure I can do this, though. Are all the passages logic?
Thank you in advance :)
 
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Felafel said:
and by choosing ##C=max\{|yz|,|x_0y|,|x_0z_0|\}## I have my inequality.
I didn't check the rest, but this part won't work. The constant needs to be independent of ##x##,##y##, and ##z##. But yours depends on ##y## and ##z##.

Also, which norm are you using for ##\|(x,y,z) - (x_0,y_0,z_0)\|##? From your work, it would appear that you are using ##\| (a,b,c)\| = |a| + |b| + |c|## (the 1-norm), but unless otherwise specified, in ##R^{n}## it's usual to assume that the 2-norm is intended: ##\|(a,b,c)\| = \sqrt{a^2 + b^2 + c^2}##.
 
I'm using the 1-norm
any suggestions on how to proceed then?
 
Here is a different approach. Start in one dimension with h(x) = x. This is clearly Lipschitz continuous with C = 1.

Now do an induction step. Suppose we assume that g(x,y) = xy is Lip continuous. Does it follow that f(x,y,z) = xyz is Lip continuous?

You can certainly write f(x,y,z) = g(x,y)h(z).

Can you finish it from here?
 
Here's my attempt:
assuming g(x,y)=xy Lipschitz
then
g(x,y)*h(z) is the product of two Lipschitz functions, which is Lipschitz itself. In particular,
f(x,y,z)=g(x,y)*h(z)=##C \cdot |xy - x_0y_0|\cdot1\cdot|z-z_0|## but ##|xy-x_0y_0|## is equal to ##(x-x_0)(y-y_0)## with scalar product (i'm not sure this passage actually works, but i don't know how to rewrite ##|xy-x_0y_0|## in an "useful" manner, such as ##|x-x_0| |y-y_0|##, so:
##f(x,y,z)=|z\cdot xy|\leq 1\cdot |z-z_0| \cdot C (|x-x_0|\cdot|y-y_0|)##
anf therefore f is lipschitz with constant C.
then by induction g is lipschitz too, as assumed.
 
Felafel said:
Here's my attempt:
assuming g(x,y)=xy Lipschitz
then
g(x,y)*h(z) is the product of two Lipschitz functions, which is Lipschitz itself.

Stop right there. You've just said g(x,y)h(z) is Lipschitz continuous, so f(x,y,z) = xyz = g(x,y)h(z) is Lipschitz continuous. You don't have to prove another thing ; if it is Lip continuous, it is continuous.
 
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