Science and engineering math: non-homogeneous differential equation

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The forum discussion focuses on solving the non-homogeneous differential equation y(iv)(t) - 16y(t) = 30sint with specific boundary conditions. Participants suggest using the Laplace Transform to handle the equation, emphasizing the need for initial conditions y''(0) and y'''(0) to fully determine the solution. The discussion includes techniques for partial fraction decomposition of the resulting Laplace-transformed function Y(s) to isolate unknown parameters a and b. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying Laplace Transform methods and partial fractions in solving polynomial differential equations.

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Homework Statement



Solve the differential equation
y(iv)(t) - 16y(t) = 30sint
subject to y(0) = 0, y'(0) = 2, y"(∏) = 0, y'"(∏) = -18

Homework Equations



There is a Laplace transform table attached if needed :)

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried making it homogeneous and then taking the Laplace. But I don't think that was right because wouldn't the Laplace of y(t) just be the definition of a Laplace ∫ y(t)e-stdt? So that's where I got confused
 

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hi chatterbug219! :smile:

just solve x4 - 16 = 0 :wink:
 
(x2-4)(x2+4)=0
x=2

But how do I use that to solve the differential?
 
chatterbug219 said:
(x2-4)(x2+4)=0
x=2

there are four roots

haven't you covered how to solve polynomial differential equations?
 
chatterbug219 said:

Homework Statement



Solve the differential equation
y(iv)(t) - 16y(t) = 30sint
subject to y(0) = 0, y'(0) = 2, y"(∏) = 0, y'"(∏) = -18

Homework Equations



There is a Laplace transform table attached if needed :)

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried making it homogeneous and then taking the Laplace. But I don't think that was right because wouldn't the Laplace of y(t) just be the definition of a Laplace ∫ y(t)e-stdt? So that's where I got confused

If you take the Laplace Transform of the DE, you need y''(0) = a and y'''(0) = b, which you are not given. However, you can solve for the transform Y(s) as a function of the unknown parameters a and b. Then you can get the solution y(t) in terms of a and b; then you can impose the boundary conditions at t = π to finally determine a and b.

RGV
 
So I did that and I got
Y= 30[1/(s2+1)(s4-16)] + (2s2+as+b)/(s4-16)
Do I do partial fractions for this now to get a and b? Then take the inverse Laplace?
 
chatterbug219 said:
So I did that and I got
Y= 30[1/(s2+1)(s4-16)] + (2s2+as+b)/(s4-16)
Do I do partial fractions for this now to get a and b? Then take the inverse Laplace?

Try it and see!

RGV
 
I've been trying to do the partial fractions for both...so far all I have is
1/(s2+1)(s4-16)
where I get
[As+B/(s2+1)] + [(Cs+D)/(s4-16)]
which simplifies to
[As(s4-16)]+[B(s4-16)]+[Cs(s2+1)]+[D(s2+1)]
and D=1 & C=-2/5...but I can't seem to get A or B to cancel so I can solve for them

the second one is (2s2+as+b)/(s4-16)
but I don't know how to do partial fractions for that
 
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chatterbug219 said:
I've been trying to do the partial fractions for both...so far all I have is
1/(s2+1)(s4-16)
where I get
[As+B/(s2+1)] + [(Cs+D)/(s4-16)]
which simplifies to
[As(s4-16)]+[B(s4-16)]+[Cs(s2+1)]+[D(s2+1)]
and D=1 & C=-2/5...but I can't seem to get A or B to cancel so I can solve for them

the second one is (2s2+as+b)/(s4-16)
but I don't know how to do partial fractions for that

Write (s^4 - 16) = (s^2+4)(s^2-4) = (s-2)(s+2)(s^2+4) and go on from there. Alternatively, if you want to avoid quadratic denominators altogether, you could take complex roots and write (s^4 - 16) = (s-2)(s+2)(s-2i)(s+2i), but that is not really necessary, since the inverse Laplace of 1/(s^2 + w^2) is tabulated.

RGV
 
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So I got the partial fractions for the first one, but not the second one becaue the a and b are throwing me off...I don't know what to do with them in order to get the partial fractions of
[2s2+as+b]/[(s-2)(s+2)(s2+4)]
 
  • #11
chatterbug219 said:
So I got the partial fractions for the first one, but not the second one becaue the a and b are throwing me off...I don't know what to do with them in order to get the partial fractions of
[2s2+as+b]/[(s-2)(s+2)(s2+4)]

Figure out \frac{1}{(s-2)(s+2)(s^2+4)} = \frac{A}{s-2} + \frac{B}{s+2} + \frac{Cs + D}{s^2+4}, then multiply by the numerator.

RGV
 
  • #12
Okay...
-1/8(s2+4) - 1/32(s+2) + 1/32(s-2)

So do I multiply 2s2+as+b by -1/8(s2+4) - 1/32(s+2) + 1/32(s-2)? Is that you were saying?
But how do I take the inverse Laplace of 2s2+as+b? That's where I'm really confused
 
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