Scientists plan to implement aspects like pattern recognising

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The discussion revolves around the implementation of advanced pattern recognition in artificial intelligence, particularly in relation to spontaneity, creativity, and common sense. Participants explore the challenges and current state of AI in mimicking human-like cognitive functions, including the complexities of linking disparate concepts and learning processes.

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  • One participant questions how scientists plan to implement complex pattern recognition, suggesting a need for AI to link unrelated fields similarly to human mental processes.
  • Another participant discusses the difficulties in recognition algorithms, noting that true intelligence and creativity in AI have yet to be achieved, and raises concerns about the limitations of current AI systems in processing sensory information.
  • Common sense is highlighted as a significant challenge, with one participant expressing skepticism about the feasibility of programming common axioms into AI, likening the learning process to that of a human baby.
  • Another participant suggests that while learning can be achieved through various methods (e.g., neural networks), it is only meaningful if the AI possesses a form of intelligence to utilize that information effectively.
  • A later reply posits that replicating the human brain at a high resolution might be necessary for AI to appear human-like, mentioning ongoing scientific efforts to achieve this through advanced technologies.

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Participants express multiple competing views on the capabilities and limitations of AI in replicating human cognitive functions. There is no consensus on whether true intelligence or common sense can be effectively integrated into AI systems.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the complexity of human cognition, the challenges of programming common sense, and the unresolved nature of how AI might achieve human-like qualities.

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i was reading this article on AI and i have a question:
how do scientists plan to implement aspects like pattern recognising(and not just simple pattern recognition, but even linking images from two totally unrelated fields, like we sometimes link mental images, i hope u get it), or spontaneity and creativity?
how far have they gone?
 
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Recognition and classification algorithms are quite good if features can be extracted that are invariant under the desired transformations. In the case of recognition in images, this is quite difficult because nothing is really invariant under projection and illumination change, so even recognizing identical objects can be extremely difficult. However, we have some stuff that works OK.

Artificial Intelligence is separate, and deals with the logical aspects of reasoning rather than interpretation of sensory information to recognize patterns etc. It is assumed that some other "hardware" has already processed this input and parsed it into more meaningful information tokens which can then be dealt with in a logic framework.

So far AI has yet to live up to its name. There is nothing that resembles true intelligence, creativity, or emotion -- actually, it is yet to be shown that this is even possible, as it may be nothing more than an illusion in humans. We do have machines that can solve simple planning problems, but only if those problems can be posed into a very formalized in rigid framework -- and we don't really have a good way of transforming observations into this logic framework. Because we don't have machines that can actually think, we can't even begin to work on adding things like spontaneity or creavity..although if we did have machines that could think, this would probably be a trivial addition. Instead what you may see are toy problems where randomness is used to give the cursory illusion of human-like qualities.
 


what about common sense? the amount of common axioms that we take for granted is so huge that it don't think that can be stored in a small memory. is it even possible for us to make a computer learn, like we make a baby learn?
 


chhitiz said:
what about common sense? the amount of common axioms that we take for granted is so huge that it don't think that can be stored in a small memory. is it even possible for us to make a computer learn, like we make a baby learn?

A simple program that records all its input in memory could be considered "learning" the data. A simple one pole moving average filter could be considered to learn the average of a stationary series. A neural network can "learn" arbitrary associations through back propagation or other update schemes. Hebbian learning can be used as well.

Basically, learning is trivial...but it is only meaningful if you have an intelligence that can use that learned information.

Common sense information (with exception to natural instincts) is learned through experience in humans, and any good AI system would also need a system for learning such as this that would allow it to develop without needing a bunch of axioms being manually programmed in. Common sense rules are not strictly "if then" statements, either..everything is relative and has a degree of uncertainty.
 


Unless the computer replicates the human brain to a very high resolution, it is not likely that it will ever seem completely human to a trained observer. But there are scientists currently trying to replicate the human brain, cell by cell, in a computer. And if nanotechnology ever does become advanced enough, then maybe someday the contents of ones brain could be downloaded into a computer.
 

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