Second order differential equations on forced vibrations

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The discussion revolves around a spring-mass system experiencing forced vibrations in a viscous fluid. The system is characterized by a spring constant of 3 N/m and a mass of 2 kg, with an external driving force expressed as 3 cos(3t) - 2 sin(3t) N. Participants are tasked with determining the steady-state response of the system.

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  • Participants explore the formulation of the differential equation governing the system's motion, questioning the linearity and the correct representation of damping forces. There is discussion about the appropriate form of the solution, with suggestions to use trigonometric identities and considerations of the system's natural frequency.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the formulation of the differential equation and the proposed solution forms. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of terms in the equation, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet.

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Participants are navigating potential misunderstandings regarding the damping term and its representation in the equation. There are also discussions about the assumptions made in the setup of the problem, particularly concerning the nature of the external forces and the expected form of the solution.

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Homework Statement


A spring-mass system has a spring constant of 3 N/m. A mass of 2 kg is attached to the spring, and the motion takes place in a viscous fluid that offers a resistance numerically equal to the magnitude of the instantaneous velocity. If the system is driven by an externam force of 3 cos(3t) - 2 sin(3t) N, determine the steady-state response.


Homework Equations


From the problem:
m = 2, k = 3, gamma = y' ?
2y" + y'^{2} + 3y = 3 cos(3t) - 2 sin(3t), or in terms of delta and omega_0
y" + 2 (y'/4) y' + 3/2 y = 3/2 cos(3t) - sin(3t)

The Attempt at a Solution


Don't know where to go from there. I need to find A, omega and gamma, but I don't know how.
 
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Well for one thing, the y' in your differential equation should not be squared. The equation should be linear.

Does that help?
 
sskakam said:

Homework Statement


A spring-mass system has a spring constant of 3 N/m. A mass of 2 kg is attached to the spring, and the motion takes place in a viscous fluid that offers a resistance numerically equal to the magnitude of the instantaneous velocity.
You may have interpreted this as saying that the coefficient is equal tot he magnitude of the instaneous velocity so the force is (-y')y'. But it says the force itself is: you want only -y'. Tom Mattson is correct.
 
try a solution of the form Acos(3t-delta) + Btcos(3t-delta). do you know why?
 
ice109 said:
try a solution of the form Acos(3t-delta) + Btcos(3t-delta). do you know why?

Not exactly. It looks very similar to the guess for undamped free vibrations, y = A cos(omega_0 t) + B sin(omega_0 t), and I can see where the -delta comes from (the damping part), but why 3t? Isn't 3 = omega, not omega_0? My omega_0 = \sqrt{3/2}, I think.

HallsofIvy said:
you want only -y'. Tom Mattson is correct.

So my equation is 2y" + y' + 3y = etc.
 
sskakam said:
Not exactly. It looks very similar to the guess for undamped free vibrations, y = A cos(omega_0 t) + B sin(omega_0 t), and I can see where the -delta comes from (the damping part), but why 3t? Isn't 3 = omega, not omega_0? My omega_0 = \sqrt{3/2}, I think.



So my equation is 2y" + y' + 3y = etc.
Yes, that is correct.

ice109 said:
try a solution of the form Acos(3t-delta) + Btcos(3t-delta). do you know why?
I certainly don't see any reason to include the "delta" or "t". Acos(3t)+ Bsin(3t) should be sufficient. Solutions to the homogeneous equation are nothing like cos(3t) or sin(3t).
 
HallsofIvy said:
I certainly don't see any reason to include the "delta" or "t". Acos(3t)+ Bsin(3t) should be sufficient. Solutions to the homogeneous equation are nothing like cos(3t) or sin(3t).

Acos(3t-d) is compact notation for Acos(d)cos(3t)+Asin(d)sin(3t). and the reason for both is that i was under the impression that since the solution for an inhomogeneous part of something like y'=cos(t) is Acos(t-d) then the solution for y'=cos(t) + sin(t) is the sum of the solutions for cos(t) and sin(t) but those are the same hence the t multiplying out in front.
 

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