Second-Order Partial Derivative of a Parametric Function

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The discussion revolves around finding the second-order partial derivative, d²y/dx², of a parametric function defined by r(t) = <3t² - 8t + 3, -9t² + 2t + 7>. The user correctly identifies the first derivative dy/dx as (dy/dt) / (dx/dt), with dy/dt = -18t + 2 and dx/dt = 6t - 8. However, confusion arises regarding the calculation of the second derivative, as the user questions their approach. A response clarifies that d²y/dx² should be computed as (d(dy/dx)/dt) / (dx/dt), suggesting a need to re-evaluate the derivative of the fraction. The conversation highlights the complexities of parametric derivatives in calculus.
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The problem is from an online homework assignment. I know it's probably fairly simple, but my brain isn't grasping it right now for some reason.[The Problem]

We know:

r(t) = <3t2 - 8t + 3, -9t2 + 2t + 7>

And we are asked to find d2y/dx2.[Background Information]

My understanding of d2y/dx2 is that it is the second derivative with respect to x (the first derivative of the function having been with respect to both x and y).

In other words, it's broken down like this:

(d/dx)(dy/dx) = d2y/dx2
The derivative (with respect to x) of the first derivative of the parametric function, r(t), is equal to that mess on the right hand side of the equation.

[Attempt at a Solution]

So we know that:

(dy/dx) = (dy/dt) / (dx/dt) (From the textbook.)

And the above function, r(t), can be broken down into two parts:

x(t) = -9t2 + 2t + 7
y(t) = 3t2 - 8t + 3

Therefore:

(dx/dt) = 6t - 8
(dy/dt) = -18t + 2

And

(dy/dx) = (-18t + 2) / (6t - 8)So, now, here's where I feel like I'm guessing a little bit. Following that logic, would d2y/dx2 = (6) * [(-18t + 2)/(6t - 8)]? :rolleyes:
Heh, this is probably a silly question, but thanks very much in advance for any help! :smile:
 
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molybdenum42 said:
x(t) = -9t2 + 2t + 7
y(t) = 3t2 - 8t + 3

Therefore:

(dx/dt) = 6t - 8
(dy/dt) = -18t + 2

And

(dy/dx) = (-18t + 2) / (6t - 8)


So, now, here's where I feel like I'm guessing a little bit. Following that logic, would d2y/dx2 = (6) * [(-18t + 2)/(6t - 8)]? :rolleyes:

dy/dx is correct, but I can not follow your logic afterwards. d2y/dx2 =d(dy/dx)/dx = (d(dy/dx)/dt)/(dx/dt). Are you sure you did the derivative of the fraction correctly?



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