Separable differential equation and Integration by parts

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The problem involves solving a separable differential equation given by dy/dx = e^y sin^2(x) / (y sec(x)). The context is rooted in differential equations, specifically focusing on integration techniques such as integration by parts and substitution.

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  • Participants discuss various integration techniques, including integration by parts and substitution. There are attempts to clarify the best approach for integrating both sides of the equation, with some questioning the effectiveness of integration by parts for the left side.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods for integration. Some have suggested substitutions for simplifying the integrals, while others express uncertainty about how to proceed with specific parts of the problem.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the integration techniques applicable to both sides of the equation, with differing opinions on whether to use integration by parts or substitution. The original poster and others are seeking clarity on the integration process.

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Homework Statement


dy/dx = e^ysin^2x/ysecx

Stewart 6e 10.3 # 8

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ydy/e^y = sin^2xdx/secx
e^-ydy = sec^-1xsin^2xdx

Integration by parts
u = e^-y
du = -e^-y
dv = ydy
v = y^2/2

∫udv = e^-yy^2/2 + ∫y^2/2e^-y
= y^2/2e^y + y^3/6?
another integration by parts?
 
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If you have something of the form (y^m)e^(ny) which you need to integrate by parts, you want to differentiate y^m and integrate e^(ny), because this reduces the exponent on the y in subsequent integrals. Note you concluded with "another integration by parts" because you made the problem more difficult.

Also, be flexible. While this is easy to integrate by parts, note that differentiating y*e^-y is going to get you a y*e^-y term back (except maybe with a minus in front). In fact, letting f(y) = -y*e^-y, we see that f'(y) = y*e^-y - e^-y, so that adding Ce^-y to f(y) originally would have given you back y*e^-y upon differentiating (for an appropriate C, whose value should be obvious). Then f(y) + Ce^-y would be your antiderivative.
 
I'm still not sure how to proceed with this one... how do I integrate the right hand side?
 
BarackObama said:
I'm still not sure how to proceed with this one... how do I integrate the right hand side?

1/sec(x) = cos(x)
 
Ok, I can do that substitution and then integrate by parts.

Still not sure how to integrate the left side though.
 
BarackObama said:
Ok, I can do that substitution and then integrate by parts.

Still not sure how to integrate the left side though.

Why on Earth would you integrate by parts? That particular integral is best handled with a u-substitution.
 
right, let u = sin^2x

can you show me how to integrate the left side?
 
Right hand side: Let u = sin(x), not sin^2(x)

Left hand side: Let u = y, dv = e^-y dy
 

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