Series of physical events in an exothermic reaction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the transfer of thermal energy in exothermic reactions, particularly focusing on the mechanisms involved in bond formation and the subsequent release of energy into the environment. Participants explore concepts related to kinetic energy, lattice vibrations, and the nature of explosive reactions, including phase transitions and the behavior of different states of matter.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the kinetic energy of reactants/products transfers to the environment during bond formation in exothermic reactions.
  • Another participant suggests that the kinetic energy induces lattice vibrations in surrounding atoms through electrostatic attraction, using a physical analogy of balls connected by springs.
  • A question is raised about the explosive nature of violent reactions and the apparent expansion of molecules during such events.
  • A participant provides an example of sodium metal reacting with water, noting that phase transitions can significantly affect the reaction dynamics.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of liquids compared to solids in terms of bonding and energy transfer, with one participant indicating that liquids have frequent bond breaking similar to solids.
  • A participant outlines a thought experiment regarding explosive reactions, describing the formation and breaking of bonds in terms of chemical potential energy and electromagnetic forces.
  • Another participant critiques the "hook" analogy, suggesting a more accurate model of energy wells to describe the stability of compounds and the energy transitions during explosive reactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms of energy transfer and the nature of explosive reactions, indicating that multiple competing models and interpretations remain. There is no consensus on the best analogy or explanation for the phenomena discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the behavior of different states of matter, particularly in relation to liquids and gases, and the complexities involved in explosive reactions.

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I am having trouble clearly/completely understanding the main cause of a transfer of thermal energy into the environment as a result of a bond formation.

In terms of a very simple, generic, exothermic reaction...

What I know...I can picture the atoms coming together through electrical attraction(an example of motion/thermal energy of the reactants/products), but what happens after the collision of atoms. How does the kinetic energy of the reactants/products actually cause kinetic energy of the atoms/molecules of the environment.

Or maybe the transfer of thermal energy happens before the bond occurs.

Please help me. I have been searching, but the results have not been fruitful for a layperson like me.

Please use the quality of my description above as an indicator of my level of understanding. I don't believe that high level mathematics in this are necessary for my immediate interests.
 
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The kinetic energy of the reactants/products induces lattice vibrations (i.e., thermal energy) in the surrounding atoms via electrostatic attraction. As a physical analogy, picture an array of balls attached by springs, where some of the balls are magnetically attracted to each other. If two balls snap together due to magnetic attraction, their movement will induce vibrations in the array. Does this help?
 
Yes, it does make sense. Thank you for the mental model.

What then would explain the explosive nature of very violent reactions. I.E. The sudden large apparent expansions (perhaps I am misled and there are no real expansions at all?), where it seems that many molecules are propelled outward?
 
Can you give an example?

My analogy was intended to describe the solid state, but if a phase transition is involved (e.g., if a lot of very hot gas is created), it doesn't apply; gas atoms don't behave as if they're connected by springs. However, they do move very fast, creating pressure waves that can push solid objects (e.g., remaining reactants or solid products).
 
Example: Pure sodium metal in water.

And with regards to your comment about gases not behaving in a manner consistent with the spring model; Does a liquid, to an extent, behave similarly to your solid state model?
 
Infrasound said:
Example: Pure sodium metal in water.

Definite phase transition as the water boils. This can be enough to propel the sodium out of the water.

Infrasound said:
And with regards to your comment about gases not behaving in a manner consistent with the spring model; Does a liquid, to an extent, behave similarly to your solid state model?

I haven't studied liquids to any extent, so this will be a superficial answer: there is nearly as much bonding as in the solid state (we know this from comparing the heat of fusion to the heat of vaporization), but the bonds are broken much more frequently.
 
I have been doing some thought experiments, so...

Let me see if i can picture this correctly... In an explosive exothermic reaction:

1. To form the bonds of the explosive material, perhaps black powder (but it could be something different), thermal energy caused some atoms to come together.

2. They normally would not want to be together, but with enough force they can be pushed together.

3. Depending on the physical properties of the atoms, you can get them to "hook" together. There is no real hook, just electromagnetism, maybe an electron or two were exchanged.

4. The energy is stored now as chemical potential, the atoms don't want to be together, but they are hooked.

5. In the presence of enough energy, the hooks can be broken, releasing the atoms/molecules that normally repel each other out in all directions.

Ok. Critique this. Be honest but not too complicated. I would like the basic idea first.

I hope this is not one of those cases where no one actually knows the basic idea!
 
It might be helpful to think not of hooks, but of energy wells (energy minima). Every compound consists of a collection of atoms in a stable or metastable state; that is, their configuration lies at a global or local energy minimum. Reactions take atoms/compounds from one minimum to another, just as a book might move from a stable position on one shelf to a new position on another shelf.

Explosives are generally in a local energy minimum, like all compounds. With sufficient heat or shock, they can move to a global energy minimum, or at least a deeper local minimum. The process releases the difference in energy between the two configurations; in the case of explosives, the energy is released relatively quickly.
 

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