[Sets] Cardinality problem

In summary, the conversation discussed a cardinality problem involving a set of natural numbers that are divisible by 3 or 7, but not 105. The first part calculated the cardinality of the set to be 2548 by subtracting the multiples of 105 from the total number of multiples of 3 and 7. The second part focused on finding the number of numbers in the set that give a remainder of 2 when divided by 3, which was found to be 190.
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[Resolved][Sets] Cardinality problem

Homework Statement



let A be a Set of all natural numbers from 1 to 6000 that are divsible by 3 or 7 but not 105.

1.What is the cardinality of A?

2.How many numbers in A give 2 as the remained of division by 3.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



1. My thinking was like this

How many multiples of 3 are from 1 to 6000. Well 6000/3 = 2000. How many multiples of 7? Well 6000/7 = 857. How many multiples of 7 are also multiples of 3? I would say 2000 / 7 = 285 that is in that 2000 multiples of 3 , 285 multiples are multiples of 7 aswell. That gives

+2000 multiples of 3
+857 multiples of 7 -285 multiples of 7 that are multiples of 3 aswell

that gives a total of 2572 numbers

now to put !divison by 105 into picture. Soo they must not be multiples of 105. We just substract multiples of 105, right? that is 2572 / 105 = 24, that is

the cardinality of A is 2572 - 24 = 2548.

Is any of the above correct or even close to a solution?

Now for the second part my thinking is like this, what do we have in those 2548 numbers, well we have something like this multiples of 3 and 7 but not 105. Now multiples of 3 will ofcorse not give the proper remainder, now for 7,

7 // remainders 3*2 + 1 rem 1
14 // rem 2
21 // 0
28 // 1
35 // 2
42 // 0
49 // 1
56 // 2
63 // 0

Now I noticed a pattern that multiples of 7 that give remainder 2 have a pattern, meanin starting from 2nd multiple which gives 2 as a remainder then every 2*k + 1 multiple gives 2 as the remainder. Meaning if I take 3 successive multiples of 7 one of them is guarantted to give 2 as the remainder. Meaning if there are 572 multiples of 7 (not multiples of 3) then there are 572 / 3 = 190 that will give 2 as the remainer.

Any good? At least close?
 
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I think I got it. Thanks anyway.
 
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I would like to commend you for your thorough and logical approach to solving this problem. Your reasoning and calculations seem to be on the right track. However, I would suggest double-checking your calculations to ensure accuracy. Additionally, you could also consider using a formula or set notation to represent the problem, which may provide a more concise and organized solution. Overall, your approach shows great critical thinking skills and attention to detail. Keep up the good work!
 

What is the cardinality problem in sets?

The cardinality problem in sets refers to the question of how to determine the size or number of elements in a set. It is also known as the counting problem or the size problem.

Why is the cardinality problem important?

The cardinality problem is important because it allows us to compare the sizes of different sets and understand their relationships. It is also an important concept in mathematics and computer science.

How do you calculate the cardinality of a set?

The cardinality of a set can be calculated by counting the number of elements in the set. For example, if a set contains the numbers {1, 2, 3, 4}, the cardinality of the set is 4.

What is the symbol for cardinality?

The symbol for cardinality is | |, which is read as "cardinality of." For example, the cardinality of the set {1, 2, 3, 4} can be written as |{1, 2, 3, 4}| = 4.

What is the difference between finite and infinite cardinality?

Finite cardinality refers to the number of elements in a set that can be counted and assigned a specific value, while infinite cardinality refers to the number of elements in a set that cannot be counted and has no specific value. For example, the set of all whole numbers has infinite cardinality, while the set of all even numbers has finite cardinality.

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