Setting up a triple integral with spherical coordinates

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The discussion revolves around setting up a triple integral using spherical coordinates, particularly focusing on determining the limits of integration for the given problem involving a cone and spheres.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the conversion of the equation into spherical coordinates and discuss the bounds for the integrals. Questions arise regarding the limits for the angles θ and φ, particularly in relation to the geometry of the cone and the first octant.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions about the limits of integration and the relationship between the variables in spherical coordinates. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the cone and the implications for the limits of integration, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is a mention of constraints related to the first octant and the specific equations defining the cone, which may impact the limits of integration. Participants are also considering how to express certain relationships in spherical coordinates.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations



x2 + y2 + z2 = p2

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The Attempt at a Solution



Using the relevant equations I converted the given equation to:

∫∫∫e(p3/2) * p2 * sin(∅) dp dθ d∅

Then the bounds of the first integral, dp, would be from 1 to 2, because of the radius of the spheres.

I cannot figure out what the bounds for the second and third integrals would be though.

Thanks for your help!
 
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What shape is defined by z2 = 2(x2 + y2) ?
 
krackedude said:
You have x^2+y^2+z^2\le1\,.

I think you mean x^2+y^2+z^2\ge1\,.



To find the limits of integration for θ and φ , you need to know how x, y, and z are related to ρ, θ, and φ.
 
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OK , it's a cone, so which integration does that imply a limit for, in spherical coordinates?
 
So, normally for a cone would have a θ from 0 <= θ <= 2∏, but the question says first octant, so would that mean 0 <= θ <= ∏/4?

And ∅ would be: 0 <= ∅ <= ∏/4?

EDIT: wait, wouldn't θ be limited by 3x <= y <= 4x? So, then how could i find those limits?
 
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krackedude said:
So, normally for a cone would have a θ from 0 <= θ <= 2∏, but the question says first octant, so would that mean 0 <= θ <= ∏/4?

And ∅ would be: 0 <= ∅ <= ∏/4?

EDIT: wait, wouldn't θ be limited by 3x <= y <= 4x? So, then how could i find those limits?

"... but the question says first octant, so would that mean 0 <= θ <= ∏/4?"

No. This is three dimensions. The coordinate planes cut R3 into 8 Octants. In the first Octant x, y, and z are all positive.
Therefore, in the first Octant, 0 <= θ <= π/2 .


The cone determines the limits for φ . z2 tan2(φ) = x2 + y2.

The more difficult task will be to express y=3x and y = 4x in spherical coordinates. But it's not all that difficult .
 
\phi is the one I was looking for limited by the cone, yes. The limit angle is not \pi/4, though.

And the other two planes do indeed limit \theta. Just need a little trig in each case to work out the angles (or express them as inverse trig functions, I guess).
 

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