Shape of Space-Time: Warping Explained

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The discussion centers on the nature of space-time and its potential warping, exploring the implications of its shape and the mathematical frameworks that describe it. Participants engage with concepts from both physics and geometry, particularly in relation to the Einstein field equations and Riemann Geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the physical shape of space-time and how it can be warped if it lacks a conventional shape.
  • Others argue that the term "warped" may not accurately represent the nature of space-time, suggesting that Riemann Geometry provides a more appropriate framework, where movement occurs along geodesics that may appear curved in Euclidean terms.
  • Participants reference the Einstein field equation, stating that it describes the shape of space-time through the relationship between geometry and the distribution of energy, momentum, and stress.
  • There is a suggestion that the shape of space-time is amorphous and determined by the distribution of stress energy, with different distributions resulting in different shapes.
  • Some participants note the limitations of English terminology in describing the shapes of four-dimensional pseudo Riemannian manifolds, emphasizing the need for mathematical descriptions via the metric.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of space-time's shape and the appropriateness of terminology used to describe it. There is no consensus on how to conceptualize or articulate the shape of space-time, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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The discussion reflects limitations in language and conceptual frameworks when addressing complex geometrical and physical ideas, particularly in the context of higher-dimensional spaces.

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It space time is able to be warped, what is the shape of it? If it doesn't have a physical shape how can it be warped?
 
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"Warped" is an English language word that does a poor job of describing what's going on and it is mostly due to applying Euclidean Geometry to a construct (space-time) that is NOT Euclidean. In Riemann Geometry, which is what more appropriately describes space-time, things move in straight lines called "geodesics", which if looked at from a framework of Euclidean Geometry, appear curved or "warped".
 
Fuinne said:
It space time is able to be warped, what is the shape of it? If it doesn't have a physical shape how can it be warped?
The shape of spacetime is given by:
##G_{\mu\nu}+\Lambda g_{\mu\nu}=8\pi T_{\mu\nu}##

This is the Einstein field equation. The left hand side describes the shape of spacetime and the right hand side describes the distribution of energy, momentum, and stress.
 
DaleSpam said:
The shape of spacetime is given by:
##G_{\mu\nu}+\Lambda g_{\mu\nu}=8\pi T_{\mu\nu}##

This is the Einstein field equation. The left hand side describes the shape of spacetime and the right hand side describes the distribution of energy, momentum, and stress.
So is it some sort of amorphous shape?
 
It is a shape determined by the distribution of stress energy. Different distributions give different shapes, as described above.

Also, we don't have English words for the shape of most 4D pseudo Riemannian manifolds. So we describe it mathematically by the metric ##g_{\mu\nu}## The metric is the shape of spacetime.
 
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