Shear force while bending a metal rod

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The discussion revolves around the bending of metal rods under applied forces, specifically focusing on shear force and bending moments. The original poster describes an experiment involving two rods with different profiles subjected to a central load, leading to questions about how shear force varies along the length of the rod.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the distribution of load along the rod and its effect on shear force. There are discussions about calculating vertical forces at supports and the relationship between bending moments and shear forces. Some participants question the assumptions made about curvature and the nature of the bending moment.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationships between load, bending moments, and shear forces. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the curvature of the rod and its implications for the calculations involved.

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Participants note the need for a theoretical model to describe shear force distribution and express uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding curvature and load distribution. There are references to external resources that may provide additional context or clarification.

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Let me first add a picture of the experiment and than try to describe my problem:
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So I have two rods (one with a square profile and the other one with a circle profile) and what I do is I apply some force in the middle. The rod bends under the applied pressure.

Ideally I could say that all the force from the weight is concentrated only in one point of the rod. naturally, that is not true - a more realistic model is that the pressure from the weight is somehow distributed over the whole length of the rod. The shear force depends on how far away from the supporter we are or how close to the center we are where the shear force is the biggest. Sadly the shear force does not decrease linearly. Now my problem is to find out a theoretical model to describe how the shear force depends from the distance from the supporter.

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I have no idea what to do... :/
 
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You don't say whether the load is in the middle -looks like it is.
Either way, you can calculate the vertical force at each support.
Assuming the rod is pretty much horizontal at the load, you can treat it as though the rod is held rigidly at that point while a support pushes up at each end. This allows you to treat the two sides separately.
At distance x from the load, what is the bending moment due to the support beyond x?
 
haruspex said:
You don't say whether the load is in the middle -looks like it is.
Either way, you can calculate the vertical force at each support.
Assuming the rod is pretty much horizontal at the load, you can treat it as though the rod is held rigidly at that point while a support pushes up at each end. This allows you to treat the two sides separately.
At distance x from the load, what is the bending moment due to the support beyond x?

The load is in the middle!
And yes, the idea is to treat the two sides separately.

Well, I checked some old notes and I found and expression that describes how much the rod bends as function of x:
##u(x)=-\frac{F_0l^3}{48EJ}(1-6(\frac{x}{l})^2+4(\frac{x}{l})^3)## where E is young's module, J moment of inertia and l length of the one half rod.

So... Moment should therefore be M=F(x)*u(x), where F(x) should tell how the load is distributed over the entire rod?
 
skrat said:
Well, I checked some old notes and I found and expression that describes how much the rod bends as function of x:
##u(x)=-\frac{F_0l^3}{48EJ}(1-6(\frac{x}{l})^2+4(\frac{x}{l})^3)## where E is young's module, J moment of inertia and l length of the one half rod.

So... Moment should therefore be M=F(x)*u(x), where F(x) should tell how the load is distributed over the entire rod?
Why would the moment be given by that?
The moment at a point is the cross-product of the applied load and the distance from the point to the load. (More generally, the sum of these on one side.) If the upward force at a support is F then that's (l-x)F.
From that you can determine the curvature at point x, and by integrating get the gradient and, eventually, the total vertical displacement at point x. Depending on what you mean by 'how much the rod bends', one of those should match the equation from your notes.
 
haruspex said:
Why would the moment be given by that?
The moment at a point is the cross-product of the applied load and the distance from the point to the load. (More generally, the sum of these on one side.) If the upward force at a support is F then that's (l-x)F.

Omg, What was I thinking?...

haruspex said:
From that you can determine the curvature at point x, and by integrating get the gradient and, eventually, the total vertical displacement at point x. Depending on what you mean by 'how much the rod bends', one of those should match the equation from your notes.

the expression above, u(x), should be the vertical displacement at given x. Now... I didn't really want to calculate the curvature at point x, I kinda wanted to just say that curvature is constant.

I have to plot a graph that will describe how shear force depends on x (and how momentum depends on x). So...
 

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