Understanding the Frobenius Method for Solving Second Order ODEs

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The discussion revolves around the Frobenius method for solving second-order ordinary differential equations (ODEs), specifically focusing on a Bessel-type equation. Participants are analyzing the series solution approach and the implications of coefficients in the power series expansion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the formulation of the power series, questioning the roles of various coefficients such as ##a_{k-1}## and ##a_{k-2}##. There is a focus on the implications of starting the summation from ##k=0## versus ##k=-\infty##. Some participants express confusion regarding the condition that leads to ##a_1=0## and seek clarification on the reasoning behind it.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants providing insights and questioning assumptions. Some have suggested alternative approaches, such as multiplying the equation to eliminate division, while others are clarifying the series expansion's starting point. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted that the original poster's reference materials may not clearly indicate the use of the Frobenius method, leading to some confusion. Additionally, there are discussions about the validity of certain assumptions and the need for initial conditions in the context of the series solution.

  • #31
chwala said:
This is the part that i need understanding ...lets assume as you have put it that ##k## starts from ##0→+∞## then how is it that when ##k=1##, that ##a_1=0##
or the other possibility is that my statement (my notes) is/are incorrect.
I still do not understand your question here, and it looks to me that no one else has understood it either, which is why you are not getting a satisfactory answer.
What do you mean "when k=1"? As I wrote in post #23, that is not a 'case'.
I also suggested dropping c, so let's do that. You have ##z^2y''+zy'+y(z^2-n^2)=0## and ##y=\Sigma_{k=0}a_kz^k##.

##z^0: a_0n^2=0##
##z^1: a_1(1-n^2)=0##
##z^k, k>1: a_k(k^2-n^2)+a_{k-2}=0##

From this we get to deduce:
##a_n## can be chosen arbitrarily.
##a_k=0## if either k<n or k+n is odd.
##a_{n+2}=-\frac{a_n}{4n+4}##
Etc.

If I have not answered your question, please rephrase it in terms of that analysis.
 
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  • #32
thanks for your asking haruspex, i asked in post 1 on how ##a_1=0##, that was my question, ...and i now know why as shown in my post 25 and also more insight has been given by benorin in post 28. My question has been answered fully sir.
 
  • #33
haruspex said:
I still do not understand your question here, and it looks to me that no one else has understood it either, which is why you are not getting a satisfactory answer.
What do you mean "when k=1"? As I wrote in post #23, that is not a 'case'.
I also suggested dropping c, so let's do that. You have ##z^2y''+zy'+y(z^2-n^2)=0## and ##y=\Sigma_{k=0}a_kz^k##.

##z^0: a_0n^2=0##
##z^1: a_1(1-n^2)=0##
##z^k, k>1: a_k(k^2-n^2)+a_{k-2}=0##

From this we get to deduce:
##a_n## can be chosen arbitrarily.
##a_k=0## if either k<n or k+n is odd.
##a_{n+2}=-\frac{a_n}{4n+4}##
Etc.

If I have not answered your question, please rephrase it in terms of that analysis.
Thanks haruspex, this is more clearer
 
  • #34
@haruspex the problem stated to use the Frobenius method which is where the ##c## comes from.
 
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