Undergrad Shifting polar functions vertically

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The discussion focuses on the challenge of shifting a polar function vertically while maintaining boundary conditions. The original function is harmonic and satisfies specific boundary conditions at angles ±β, but the need to center the function at a different vertical location complicates the situation. Participants explore the implications of this shift on the boundary conditions and suggest introducing new variables to simplify the equations. There is a concern that simply shifting the function may invalidate the original boundary conditions, particularly since the new boundaries do not pass through the origin. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of clarity in mathematical representation when dealing with coordinate transformations.
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Hi PF!

I have a function that looks like this $$f(r,\theta) = \sinh (\omega \log (r))\cos(\omega(\theta - \beta))$$

You'll notice ##f## is harmonic and satisfies the BC's ##f_\theta(\theta = \pm \beta) = 0##. Essentially ##f## has no flux into the wall defined at ##\theta = \pm \beta##. So we can imagine the domain is a sort of groove with it's vertex centered at the origin. However, this groove actually needs to be centered at a different vertical location, ##(h,0)##.

I calculate the new function to be $$f(r,\theta) = \sinh \left(\frac{\omega}{2} \log (r^2-2hr\cos\theta + h^2)\right)\cos\left[\omega\left(\arctan \left(\frac{r\sin\theta}{r \cos \theta-h}\right)- \beta\right)\right]$$
but it's so messy. Any clean-up ideas or different approaches?
 
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I don't get the bit about fθ(.,-β) being zero. Have I misunderstood the notation?
 
haruspex said:
I don't get the bit about fθ(.,-β) being zero. Have I misunderstood the notation?
Sorry, what I mean is $$\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} \right|_{\theta = \pm \beta} = 0$$
The vertex has angle ##2\beta##.
 
joshmccraney said:
Sorry, what I mean is $$\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} \right|_{\theta = \pm \beta} = 0$$
The vertex has angle ##2\beta##.
Yes, that's what I thought you meant, but you seem to be saying this follows from
joshmccraney said:
##f(r,\theta) = \sinh (\omega \log (r))\cos(\omega(\theta - \beta))##
I get ##\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} \right|_{\theta = -\beta} = -\omega\sinh (\omega \log (r))\sin(\omega( - 2\beta))##
 
haruspex said:
Yes, that's what I thought you meant, but you seem to be saying this follows from

I get ##\left.\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} \right|_{\theta = -\beta} = -\omega\sinh (\omega \log (r))\sin(\omega( - 2\beta))##
Oh shoot, sorry, I forgot to say ##\omega = k \pi / \beta : k\in \mathbb N##.
 
Is there a reason that you can't just introduce new variables for the shift and leave the original equations essentially as-is? I think it would be much more clear. If I were to document or program that problem, I think that is how I would do it.
 
FactChecker said:
Is there a reason that you can't just introduce new variables for the shift and leave the original equations essentially as-is? I think it would be much more clear. If I were to document or program that problem, I think that is how I would do it.
Can you elaborate?

See, this is one component to a very large problem I'm working on. The issue is, I am in two different coordinate systems that do not have the same center. Obviously in order to have them both work I need to choose one of the two coordinate systems. I know this one is by far easier (namely, I need to shift the vertex to ##(h,0)##).

I also think that when I shift the coordinate system, the BC's are no longer valid at ##\theta = \beta##. Instead, the boundaries are now valid along a line not passing through the origin. Specifically, the upper boundary line is parameterized as $$r = h \csc(\beta - \theta) \sin\beta$$
What do you think? Am I making an error by thinking I can simply shift ##f## vertically, evaluate ##f_\theta## along the shifted line, and still get a good answer? I tried doing that and I'm not getting 0.
 
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My suggestion is just a cosmetic difference which I think would make it easier to understand what is going on. I would define the shifted coordinate ##(r',\theta') = (\sqrt {r^2-2hr\cos \theta + h^2}, \frac {r \sin \theta}{r \cos \theta - h})## and then use ##f(r', \theta')##.
I think that combining it all into one equation makes it messy and more difficult to understand. And I don't see any benefit from combining it.
 
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