SHM mass and spring constant with given frequency

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The problem involves a block-spring system where the frequency changes with the addition of mass. The original poster seeks to determine the mass of the block and the spring constant based on given frequencies before and after adding mass.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set up equations based on the relationship between frequency, angular frequency, mass, and spring constant. Some participants question the calculations leading to the determination of mass, particularly focusing on the algebraic manipulation of the equations.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in reviewing the calculations and identifying potential errors in the algebraic steps. There is a focus on clarifying the process of equating the two expressions for the spring constant and solving for mass.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses confusion regarding the correct value for mass and spring constant, indicating a discrepancy between their calculations and expected results. There is an emphasis on ensuring accurate algebraic manipulation in the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement



With a block of mass m, the frequency of a block-spring system is 1.5Hz. When 80g is added, the frequency drops to 0.9Hz. Find m and the spring constant k.


Homework Equations



T=1/f
w=2pi/T
so w= 2pi*f
w^2=k/m
so k=mw^2
T=2pi*sqrt(m/k)

The Attempt at a Solution



The problem seems simple enough. I just have to set up 2 equations to solve one unknown and then find the other right?
So first i found the w for when the mass= m and f= 1.5Hz (i called this w) and the w for when mass= m+0.08 and f= 0.9Hz (W).

Using the formula w= 2pi*f, i found 9.42 for w and 5.65 for W.

Then I set up the 2 equations:

k = mw^2 = 88.8m
and
k = (m+0.08)W^2 = 31.9m + 2.55

After i did equation 1 = equation 2, so:
88.8m = 31.9m + 2.55 and this gave me m=22.3

But the correct answer for m is supposed to be 0.045 kg. Can somebody let me know what I'm doing wrong please?

The correct value for k is supposed to be 3.99N/m
 
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k77i said:
88.8m = 31.9m + 2.55 and this gave me m=22.3

Try redoing the above step again. I think that's where the trouble is coming from.
 
I'm not exactly sure which steps you're asking me to redo but i'll show my calculations in more detail if that's what you meant.

w= 2pi*f1 = 2pi*1.5 = 9.42 rad/s
W= 2pi*f2 = 2pi*0.9 = 5.65 rad/s

Then,

1) k= mw^2 = m*9.42^2 = 88.8m
2) k= W^2(m+0.08) = 5.65^2(m+0.08) = 31.9m + 2.55

I really still don't see what's wrong with the way I'm doing it..
 
k77i said:
I'm not exactly sure which steps you're asking me to redo but i'll show my calculations in more detail if that's what you meant.

w= 2pi*f1 = 2pi*1.5 = 9.42 rad/s
W= 2pi*f2 = 2pi*0.9 = 5.65 rad/s

Then,

1) k= mw^2 = m*9.42^2 = 88.8m
2) k= W^2(m+0.08) = 5.65^2(m+0.08) = 31.9m + 2.55

I really still don't see what's wrong with the way I'm doing it..

So far so good. It's the next step where you solve for m (after you set the equations equal).
 
Well ok..

Equation 1 = Equation 2

88.8m = 31.9m + 2.55

then bring the "m" terms to one side

88.8m - 31.9m = 2.55

56.6m = 2.55

and then divide..

Ahhh! wow i feel really stupid.. i was dividing both sides by 2.55 all this time.. I get it now, thanks a lot
 

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