Should reading your wife's e-mail be a crime?

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A Rochester Hills man, Leon Walker, faces felony charges for accessing his wife's email without permission, a situation that has sparked debate about privacy rights within marriage. While some argue that reading a spouse's email is a violation of trust, they believe it should be treated as a moral issue rather than a criminal one. Legal experts note this is the first use of a Michigan statute typically applied to identity theft in a domestic context, raising questions about its applicability and the burden of proof. The discussion highlights differing views on privacy in marriage, with some asserting that marriage does not equate to forfeiting individual privacy rights. Critics argue that accessing a spouse's email without permission should be considered illegal, regardless of marital status, while others contend that trust and communication should govern such matters instead of legal repercussions. The case raises broader questions about privacy expectations in relationships and the legal implications of accessing personal communications.

Should reading your wife's e-mail be a crime?


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  • #101
Evo said:
bows to xxChrisXX

:blushing::blushing::blushing:

It's just one of the funny complexities of a common law system. The 'law' isn't the 'law' until a court rules (i.e interprets) it.

I would have gone to study law (I sometimes wish I had), until I found out just how much reading there is to do.
 
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  • #102
Evo said:
You misread it, it does not say "participant". It says if you are a party to it, such as owning the internet service account used would make you a party to it.

Apologies, I was using it in the sense of "party", not "participant".
If you insist that it can never be legal, then you need to cite your source.

I've never insisted that, but you provided a law that does make it illegal in all circumstances other than those specifically outlined. Based on that law, unless you conform to one of those circumstances it is illegal.
xxChrisxx said:
Do you not understand that it's not 'law' yet? That's the whole reason why this thread is now a gazillion pages long.

It's not been decided that the statute you linked to applies in this case.

It's just one of the funny complexities of a common law system. The 'law' isn't the 'law' until a court rules (i.e interprets) it.

It's a law that basically says, unless you are covered by one of the below circumstances, to intercept a communication is illegal. How does that not apply to this case?

I still don't see how 'owning' the internet connection to a house makes you a party to the communications of those who use it. On this basis, if someone sends me information on how to build a bomb, my mother can be considered a party to this communication and therefore said to be 'involved'.

Let's look at this situation on the basis of the law evo provided:

The husband is not a party to the communication of the emails.
The husband did not have permission to read the emails.
Therefore, on the basis of what is written in this law he has acted in an illegal manner by intercepting the mail.

Why this law wouldn't apply I don't know. Hopefully we'll see more on it soon.

I do agree though, it will be dismissed.
 
  • #103
I wonder why breaking marriage vows is not a criminal offense.
 
  • #104
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
I wonder why breaking marriage vows is not a criminal offense.
Adultery would count against her, he could make it a "fault" divorce, which might be why she's grasping at straws.
 
  • #105
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
I wonder why breaking marriage vows is not a criminal offense.

Are prisons not crowded enough with 'criminals' who smoke a bit of weed?
 
  • #106
Evo said:
Adultery would count against her, he could make it a "fault" divorce, which might be why she's grasping at straws.

It does sound like she's just trying to get back at him because of the whole "alerting the father to possible violence".

Aside from wasting money, it will achieve nothing.
lisab said:
Are prisons not crowded enough with 'criminals' who smoke a bit of weed?

Until the law says otherwise they are still criminals.

I don't know about the US, but the UK is currently cutting back on sentencing even for things such as knife crime. So I'm not so sure if that statement holds true.

(Yeah, I know it's not meant to be taken seriously. But I felt compelled to mention it.)
 
  • #107
Evo said:
Adultery would count against her, he could make it a "fault" divorce, which might be why she's grasping at straws.
If intercepting your spouses email is a brigde of privacy then it seems logical to me that a bridge of the marriage contract should also be punishable by law( i.e a felony).

I think this issue is a bit rediculous. Mothers infrige on the privacy of their children daily; perhaps they should also be put in jail!

I think the guy should sue for emotional distress.
 
  • #108
NeoDevin said:
If someone gives one permission to access their email, it's not a crime to do so. If one doesn't have permission, but accesses it anyways, that is a crime, whether or not the people involved are married.
It would certainly be grounds for divorce and settlement, but not for imprisonment.
 
  • #109
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
I think this issue is a bit rediculous. Mothers infrige on the privacy of their children daily; perhaps they should also be put in jail!

As I believe DaveC mentioned earlier, this is a different situation.
 
  • #110
jarednjames said:
As I believe DaveC mentioned earlier, this is a different situation.

Why is it any different ? If the child is not a minor then I do not see the difference.

Why is it that a mother can search the room of her son whom she suspects to be engaging in clandestine activities without a search warrant ?
 
  • #111
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Why is it that a mother can search the room of her son whom she suspects to be engaging in clandestine activities without a search warrant ?

Uh, whose room is it exactly? :rolleyes:

Children under 18 are pretty much entitled to what their parents give them.

Can you specify why a child would have a legal right to privacy?

If you are talking about offspring that are over 18, please say so.
 
  • #112
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Why is it any different ? If the child is not a minor then I do not see the difference.

Why is it that a mother can search the room of her son whom she suspects to be engaging in clandestine activities without a search warrant ?

If the child is under age, they are the legal responsibility of their parents. That is why parents can infringe on the privacy of their children.

Once the child is considered an adult, the parent has no right to do so.

I remember watching an episode of "Worlds Strictest Parents USA" and they were explaining that in Texas (I believe that was the state), if a minor 'runs away' from home the parent has the right to call the cops and have the child arrested. Something which they demonstrated when the unruly child run off and they had her thrown in a cell for a few hours.
 
  • #113
jarednjames said:
Once the child is considered an adult, the parent has no right to do so.
Though that does not preclude the adult-child from waiving those rights "as long as you're under my roof".
 
  • #114
I honestly thought the whole legal responsibility "thingy" ended when the child ceased to be considered a minor which is at age 16.
 
  • #115
DaveC426913 said:
Though that does not preclude the adult-child from waiving those rights "as long as you're under my roof".

Certainly, as I mentioned before, that then becomes the 'terms for living/staying in the house'. It is the agreement between you and your parents.
 
  • #116
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
I honestly thought the whole legal responsibility "thingy" ended when the child ceased to be considered a minor which is at age 16.

Once the child reaches the ages of legal responsibility (18 I believe in most places) they are no longer the responsibility of their parents/guardians.

Nobody here has said any different.
 
  • #117
jarednjames said:
Once the child reaches the ages of legal responsibility (18 I believe in most places) they are no longer the responsibility of their parents/guardians.

Nobody here has said any different.
Well where I live ( Ontario) it is age 16; basically,when you can leave home without parental consent.
 
  • #118
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Well where I live ( Ontario) it is age 16; basically,when you can leave home without parental consent.

It does vary from country to country, but legal responsibility is the age at which you can vote and enter a contract basically. As far as I'm aware, that is the age at which you are no longer legally a minor and considered the responsibility of your parents.

Something that is bugging me with this case is that you don't enter a contract with your spouse to lose your right to privacy from what I've seen. Heck, your doctor still has to keep things confidential.

EDIT: I've just skimmed law in Canada and it seems the age is 18 when full responsibility is removed from your parents. Being able to leave home is not the same as full responsibility being removed from your parents. Until 18, if you are arrested your parents are informed. Until you are 18, your parents can apply for custody of you. Until you are 18, you can be considered financially dependent on your parents.
 
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  • #119
jarednjames said:
It does vary from country to country, but it's the age at which you can vote and enter a contract basically.

Something that is bugging me with this case is that you don't enter a contract with your spouse to lose your right to privacy from what I've seen. Heck, your doctor still has to keep things confidential.
I think this kind of issues should be kept out of court. There are so many different scenerios like this that could arise.

Does a husband have legal right you ask his spouse "who called ? " on a phone line that they share when the call was not for him ?

Does his spouse have the right to take a message for him without permission ?
 
  • #120
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Well where I live ( Ontario) it is age 16; basically,when you can leave home without parental consent.
Age of majority in Ontario is 18. Sorry. Might want to unpack that suitcase.
 
  • #121
DaveC426913 said:
Age of majority in Ontario is 18. Sorry. Might want to unpack that suitcase.
I am pretty sure it is 16 in Ontario... I haven't checked recently;unless it changed.
 
  • #122
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
I am pretty sure it is 16 in Ontario... I haven't checked recently;unless it changed.

I just checked, as per my previous post. It's 18.
 
  • #123
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
I am pretty sure it is 16 in Ontario... I haven't checked recently;unless it changed.

I live in Ontario too.

I didn't just guess. It is freely Googleable: "age of majority Ontario" or "Ontario minor age"
 
  • #124
Heh. It's no the news right now.

"felony misuse of the computer" is the offical charge.

In Canada, wiretapping and hacking statutes could both apply to a case such as this.
 
  • #125
DaveC426913 said:
I live in Ontario too.

I didn't just guess. It is freely Googleable: "age of majority Ontario" or "Ontario minor age"

Are you sure that the age of majority applies to the leaving home issue.? I did a quick search myself and also saw 16 and 18. :-$.

If I am wrong then I am sorry.

Edit

Btw I searched for "legal age to move out in ontario". Almost all results said 16.
 
  • #126
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Are you sure that the age of majority applies to the leaving home issue.? I did a quick search myself and also saw 16 and 18. :-$.

If I am wrong then I am sorry.

Edit

Btw I searched for "legal age to move out in ontario". Almost all results said 16.
Look up "emancipation". You can apply for emancipation at 16.

Unless you get emancipated, you are still a minor, and your parents can haul you by your ear back home.
 
  • #127
DaveC426913 said:
Look up "emancipation". You can apply for emancipation at 16.

Unless you get emancipated, you are still a minor, and your parents can haul you by your ear back home.

Okay. I see.

Then I was wrong,sorry about that. :-P
 
  • #128
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
To whom does emancipation apply to ?


If it applies to children of all ages then my search should have turned up a different age.
I am pretty sure that minors of age 16 and up can apply for emancipation. Of course, once 18, they are legally adults.

I am having difficulty locating any references to emancipation in Ontario. There's sure a lot of questinos and guessing going on out there, but I wouldn't trust antyig but government or legal corporate sites.
 
  • #129
DaveC426913 said:
I am pretty sure that minors of age 16 and up can apply for emancipation. Of course, once 18, they are legally adults.

I am having difficulty locating any references to emancipation in Ontario. There's sure a lot of questinos and guessing going on out there, but I wouldn't trust antyig but government or legal corporate sites.
Yeah, I noticed that. Also went i typed in "legal age to move out in ontario" in the search engine it didn't mention emancipation.

Don't bother doing the research it is off-topic anyway besides it's too late to be thinking especially over the holiday.
 
  • #130
It's also off topic to the thread. A good time to end this.
 

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