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The problem involves determining whether a specific subset W of the polynomial space P3 is a subspace and finding a spanning set for W. The subset is defined by the conditions p(1) = p(-1) and p(2) = p(-2).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the properties required for W to be a subspace, including closure and the zero vector. There are attempts to derive conditions from the given equations and to express arbitrary elements of P3. Questions arise regarding the implications of the derived conditions on the coefficients of the polynomial.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring the implications of the conditions on the coefficients of the polynomial. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the coefficients and the constraints imposed by the conditions. Multiple interpretations of the conditions are being examined, particularly around the implications for the coefficients a and c.

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There is a focus on the dimensionality of the subspace and the nature of the spanning set, with participants noting that the dimension of P3 is 4, which informs their exploration of the problem. The discussion includes some confusion regarding the derived equations and their implications for the coefficients.

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Homework Statement



Let W be the subset of all P3 defined by

W={p(x) in P3: p(1)=p(-1) and p(2)=p(-2)}

Show that W is a subspace of P3, and find a spanning set for W.

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This is homework we can correct. I've attached my work. The first one with red and purple writing is what I submitted. The black and yellow one is my redo attempt.

On my original one, the TA wrote in red and I wrote random stuff in purple.

In my redo, I first attempted to prove W is a subspace using the closure, multiplication, and zero vector properties.
I don't know how to find the spanning set. Is that a way to get it without guessing? I understand the answer but I don't know how to get it.
 

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well first do you know the dimension of your subspace? that tells you how many vectors you're looking for. The dimension of P^3 is 4, so it will be less than or equal to that.

Note there is no unique set of spanning vectors as when you have a basis any vector within it can be be replaced by a linear combination of the orginal vectors and any other basis vectors.

so first write an arbitary element in your set P^3 as
[tex]ax^3 + bx2 + cx +d[/tex]
now it must satisfy p(1) = p(-1) so
[tex]a + b + c +d = (-a) + b + (-c) +d[/tex]
and p(2) = p(-2) so
[tex]8a + 4b + 2c +d = (-8a) + 4b + (-2c) +d[/tex]

use these constraints to find the basis vectors
 
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Any "vector" in P3 can be written in the form [itex]ax^3+ bx^2+ cx+ d[/itex]. The requirement that p(1)= p(-1) means that [itex]a+ b+ c+ d= -a+ b- c+ d[/itex] or [itex]a+ c= 0[/itex]. The requirement that p(2)= p(-2) means that [itex]8a+ 4b+ 2c+ d= -8a+ 4b- 2c+ d[/itex] or [itex]a+ c= 0[/itex]. You really have just one condition.

Knowing that c= -a means you can write [itex]ax^3+ bx^2+ cx+ d[/itex] as what?
 
wait Halls so
[itex]a+ b+ c+ d= -a+ b- c+ d[/itex] gives [itex]2a+ 2c= 0[/itex]
[tex]\implies a+ c= 0[/tex]

but doesn't
[itex]8a+ 4b+ 2c+ d= -8a+ 4b- 2c+ d[/itex] gives [itex]16a+ 4c= 0[/itex]
[tex]\implies \textbf{4}a+ c= 0[/tex]

which leads to a=c=0?
 
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Thanks for both of your help.

lanedance said:
wait Halls so
[itex]a+ b+ c+ d= -a+ b- c+ d[/itex] gives [itex]2a+ 2c= 0[/itex]
[tex]\implies a+ c= 0[/tex]

but doesn't
[itex]8a+ 4b+ 2c+ d= -8a+ 4b- 2c+ d[/itex] gives [itex]16a+ 4c= 0[/itex]
[tex]\implies \textbf{4}a+ c= 0[/tex]

which leads to a=c=0?

Thanks so much! Since a=c=0, I'm left with

p(x) = 1 + x2

So the basis is 1, x2 which is the spanning set.
I really appreciate it, so much.
 
lanedance said:
wait Halls so
[itex]a+ b+ c+ d= -a+ b- c+ d[/itex] gives [itex]2a+ 2c= 0[/itex]
[tex]\implies a+ c= 0[/tex]

but doesn't
[itex]8a+ 4b+ 2c+ d= -8a+ 4b- 2c+ d[/itex] gives [itex]16a+ 4c= 0[/itex]
[tex]\implies \textbf{4}a+ c= 0[/tex]

which leads to a=c=0?
Yes, you are right. Guess my eyes went fuzzy there!
 

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