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The discussion revolves around proving that a set V, defined by a matrix equation in R², is a subspace of R² and determining its dimension. Participants are exploring the implications of the zero vector and the nature of solutions to the matrix equation.

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  • Participants are questioning the definition of V and its relationship to the zero vector. There is confusion regarding the nature of X as a vector versus a matrix. Some are considering the implications of having only the zero vector as a solution and its impact on subspace status and dimension.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of subspaces. Some participants have offered insights into the nature of V and its dimension, while others are seeking clarification on how to formally prove V is a subspace, particularly regarding closure under addition and scalar multiplication.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and properties of subspaces, particularly in the context of linear algebra. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of solutions to the matrix equation and the implications of having only the zero vector in V.

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1. Let V={X \in R2 : (1 2) X= (0)}
......(3 4) ... (0)
Show that V is a subspace of R^2 with the usual operations. What is the dimension of V

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3. I am really kind of lost, the statement seems to make no sense. X is in R but it also = the matrix [1 2, 3 4] but also equals the matrix [0,0]?
Is v not a subspace of R^2 because it equals the zero vector? Thanks for the help.
 
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nautolian said:
1. Let V={X \in R2 : (1 2) X= (0)}
......(3 4) ... (0)
Show that V is a subspace of R^2 with the usual operations. What is the dimension of V

2. Homework Equations

3. I am really kind of lost, the statement seems to make no sense. X is in R
No, X is a vector in R2.
nautolian said:
but it also = the matrix [1 2, 3 4]
No, this is a 2 x 2 matrix, so it can't possibly be equal to a vector in R2.
nautolian said:
but also equals the matrix [0,0]?
No again.

Here is your matrix:
$$\begin{bmatrix}1 & 2 \\ 3 & 4\end{bmatrix} $$
Let's call it A

Here is your vector x
$$\begin{bmatrix}x_1 \\ x_2\end{bmatrix} $$

V is all of the vectors in R2 such that Ax = 0, where 0 is the zero vector in R2.
nautolian said:
Is v not a subspace of R^2 because it equals the zero vector? Thanks for the help.
 
Isn't the only solution to that equation [0,0]? Hence, it is not a subspace because the only solution is the zero vector? Thanks again
 
nautolian said:
Isn't the only solution to that equation [0,0]?
Maybe. Why do you think so?
nautolian said:
Hence, it is not a subspace because the only solution is the zero vector?
A set with only the zero vector in it is a subspace of whatever space it's in.
nautolian said:
Thanks again
 
So essentially the dimension is then 1 because the basis is the zero vector? Is that possible and I think so because reducing the matrix [1 2, 3 4] gives the identity which set to 0 means that the only solution is at x=[0,0]
 
nautolian said:
So essentially the dimension is then 1 because the basis is the zero vector? Is that possible and I think so because reducing the matrix [1 2, 3 4] gives the identity which set to 0 means that the only solution is at x=[0,0]
You're mostly on track here. Since the basis for V is just the zero vector, the dimension of V is zero, not one. Your matrix A maps every nonzero vector in R to some other nonzero vector.
 
Thanks! Okay, so how would I go about proving V is a subspace of R^2 though? Like in terms of addition and multiplication being closed? Do I just pretend that two vectors in V are [a,b] and [c,d]??
 
nautolian said:
Thanks! Okay, so how would I go about proving V is a subspace of R^2 though? Like in terms of addition and multiplication being closed? Do I just pretend that two vectors in V are [a,b] and [c,d]??

The only element of V is [0,0]. Doesn't that make it pretty easy to show it's a subspace? It's a trivial subspace.
 

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