Show that a rotating (fluid) planet is an oblate spheroid

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical and physical reasoning behind why a rotating fluid planet is modeled as an oblate spheroid. Participants explore the implications of gravitational and centrifugal forces in a rotating frame, the conditions for equilibrium, and the mathematical representation of the planet's surface.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that in a rotating frame, the sum of gravitational and centrifugal forces must be perpendicular to the surface of the planet.
  • Another participant identifies a potential mistake in assuming spherical gravity, questioning whether the oblate spheroid shape is an exact result or merely an approximation.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that for small rotation rates, the spherical gravity approximation holds, leading to an elliptical equation for the surface in a Taylor expansion.
  • Concerns are raised about the justification of the perpendicular condition, with a participant noting the need to consider hydrostatic forces due to fluid pressure.
  • One participant emphasizes the inability of fluids to withstand shear stress, suggesting that any force component along the surface would lead to redistribution until equilibrium is achieved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the exactness of the oblate spheroid model versus its approximation, and there is no consensus on the necessity of additional forces in the equilibrium condition.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their assumptions, particularly regarding the treatment of gravitational forces and the implications of rotational speed on the model's accuracy.

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The idea is that, if we take the rotating frame of the fluid-planet so that it is at rest, then the sum of gravity and the centrifugal force must be perpendicular to the surface.

Take the planet to be rotating about the y-axis at a rate ω. By symmetry we only need to work in 2 dimensions. So what we get is that the surface’s normal is directed along N = <Nx, Ny> = <ω2x - GMx/(x2+y2)3/2, -GMy/(x2+y2)3/2>

So the goal is to find the surfaces which are everywhere perpendicular to N. Well N is curl-less and so can be written as the gradient of a scalar potential, and then the surfaces we wish to find will simply be equipotentials. The scalar field with gradient equal N is GM/√(x2+y2) + 0.5(ωx)2 but if we take this expression equal to a constant, we do not get the equation of an ellipse. (The 2D cross section of the surface should be an ellipse.) What went wrong?
 
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Actually I just realized that my expression for gravitational force comes from assuming the planet is spherical. That’s one mistake.

If we properly accounted for the gravity would the answer actually come out as an exact ellipse? Or is the oblate spheroid just an approximation?

If it is exact (for fluid planets in the Newtonian analysis) then is there any simple derivation? (Integrating gravity of a spheroid doesn’t sound simple.)
 
For small ω the spherical gravity should be appoximately correct. If you solve for y in the equipotential equation then take the lowest order Taylor-approximation about ω ≈ 0 then you actually do get an equation for an ellipse.

With that, I guess it is just an approximation for low rotational speeds. (I suppose it’s still possible that taking the exact gravity expression will make it an ellipse for any ω, but that seems quite unlikely.)

Guess I jumped the gun on creating this thread.
 
Hiero said:
The idea is that, if we take the rotating frame of the fluid-planet so that it is at rest, then the sum of gravity and the centrifugal force must be perpendicular to the surface.
Is that 'obvious'? I think it needs justifying: There is another (hydrostatic) force, due to the pressure of the rest of the fluid? The hydrostatic force is always normal to the surface and, if there is equilibrium, that must mean the sum of the other two forces must also be normal to the surface and of same magnitude as the hydrostatic force.
I don't think there's another force involved?
 
@sophiecentaur Right, I could’ve explained better. The real idea is that a fluid can’t withstand any shear stress, so that any component of force along the surface would just cause the fluid to redistribute until the perpendicular-condition is satisfied.

There are probably some other subtleties of a rotating fluid planet that I’m overlooking, but my concern was more about the math than the physics.
 
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