Show that a set has no "unique nearest point" property

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The discussion revolves around a problem from real analysis concerning the set \( S \) and its properties in the context of the space \( c_0 \). The original poster is tasked with demonstrating that a set lacks the "unique nearest point" property, using a hint involving a sequence and a specific summation.

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  • Participants explore the definition of the distance function \( d(a,S) \) and its implications. There is discussion on how to interpret the hint provided, particularly regarding the relationship between \( d(a,S) \) and the value \( |\alpha| \). Questions arise about the assumptions made in the problem and the validity of certain claims regarding distances.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning each other's interpretations and clarifying definitions. Some participants have provided insights into the properties of the distance function and its implications for the problem, while others express confusion about specific steps and assumptions. There is no explicit consensus yet, and multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the definitions and properties of the sequences involved, as well as the implications of the summation used in the hint. There is an ongoing examination of whether the assumptions made in the problem statement are correct and how they affect the conclusions drawn.

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Homework Statement
Let ##c_0## be the real vector space of all real sequences that converge to ##0##. Let ##S## be the subset of ##c_0## consisting of all elements ##(x_n)## such that ##\sum _{n=1}^{\infty }2^{-n}x_n=0##. Show that ##S## is a closed subspace of ##c_0## and that no point of ##c_0\setminus S## has a closest point in ##S##.
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Linear functionals, kernel, sequence spaces, norms, etc.
From Bridges' Foundations of Real and Abstract Analysis.

I'm given the following hint. Given ##a=(a_n)\in c_0\setminus S##, set ##\alpha=\sum _{n=1}^{\infty }2^{-n}a_n## and show that ##d(a,S)\leq|\alpha|##. Let ##x=(x_n)\in S##, suppose that ##\lVert a-x\rVert\leq|\alpha|##, and obtain a contradiction.

I can show that ##S## is a closed subspace of ##c_0## by considering the linear functional $$\phi : c_0 \to \Bbb{R} : (x_n) \mapsto \sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac{1}{2^n}x_n,$$ and show that it is bounded and hence its kernel is closed, which is ##S##. But I'm stuck at the second part. I do not really understand the hint. I do not know how to show ##d(a,S)\leq|\alpha|##, why we can suppose ##\lVert a-x\rVert\leq|\alpha|## and what would be contradicted. Grateful for any help.
 
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What is d(a,S)?
 
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pasmith said:
What is d(a,S)?
It is ##d(a,S)=\inf\{\lVert a-x\rVert :x\in S\}##, where the norm is ##\lVert a\rVert=\sup_n |a_n|##.
 
If the summation was \sum_{n=1}^\infty 2^{1-n}x_n, then we could say that <br /> b_n = \begin{cases} a_1 - \alpha &amp; n = 1 \\ a_n &amp; n &gt; 1 \end{cases} is a member of S which is a distance |\alpha| from a. Unfortunately because the summation is \sum_{n=1}^\infty 2^{-n}a_n, we have instead to set <br /> b_n = \begin{cases} a_1 - 2\alpha &amp; n = 1 \\ a_n &amp; n &gt; 1 \end{cases} which is a distance 2|\alpha| from a.

If there exists an element x \in S which is closest to a, then it satisfies 0 &lt; d(a,x) = d(a,S) \leq |\alpha| (if the question is correct) because x \neq a. So when looking for such an element it makes no sense to look for one with d(a,x) &gt; |\alpha|.
 
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pasmith said:
If there exists an element x \in S which is closest to a, then it satisfies 0 &lt; d(a,x) = d(a,S) \leq |\alpha| (if the question is correct) because x \neq a.
I don't understand your claim. Shouldn't it be ##0<d(a,x)=d(a,S)\leq 2|\alpha|##?
 
The following article was quite helpful (start reading from "A counterexample in the Banach space ##c_0##"). This treats a similar case as in the exercise above, except they use the summation ##\sum_{n=0}^\infty 2^{-n}x_n##. Does it make any difference if we use ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty 2^{-n}x_n## versus ##\sum_{n=0}^\infty 2^{-n}x_n##?
 
psie said:
The following article was quite helpful (start reading from "A counterexample in the Banach space ##c0##"). This treats a similar case as in the exercise above, except they use the summation ##\sum_{n=0}^\infty 2^{-n}x_n##. Does it make any difference if we use ##\sum_{n=1}^\infty 2^{-n}x_n## versus ##\sum_{n=0}^\infty 2^{-n}x_n##?
Certainly no difference in convergence in general, nor convergence to ##0##. A finite set of terms won't make a difference either way.
 
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psie said:
I don't understand your claim. Shouldn't it be ##0<d(a,x)=d(a,S)\leq 2|\alpha|##?

By definition, d(a,x) = 0 if and only if a = x. Here we know a \neq x since x \in S while a \notin S.
 
pasmith said:
By definition, d(a,x) = 0 if and only if a = x. Here we know a \neq x since x \in S while a \notin S.
This explains why ##0<d(a,S)##, but not why ##d(a,S)\leq |\alpha|##. The example you gave with $$b_n = \begin{cases} a_1 - 2\alpha & n = 1 \\ a_n & n > 1, \end{cases}$$ shows that there is an element of ##S## with a distance ##2|\alpha|## from ##a##. So the distance ##d(a,S)## should be at most ##2|\alpha|##. What am I misinterpreting?
 
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I suspect your ##d##is a distance function, but not a metric. Take, e.g., ##S:=\{(x,0): x \in \mathbb R\}## , i.e., the x-axis , and ##T:=\{(x,y): x,y\ in \mathbb R: xy=1\}##, i.e., the curve ##y=1/x; x>0## Then ##d(S,T)=0##, as the points in ##y=1/x## get indefinitely close to the x-axis as x goes to ##\infty##, so that ##d(S,T)=0##, but ##S\neq T##. Yes, the use of ##d## is confusing, maybe something like ##Dist(x,y)## would be better here.
 
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psie said:
This explains why ##0<d(a,S)##, but not why ##d(a,S)\leq |\alpha|##. The example you gave with $$b_n = \begin{cases} a_1 - 2\alpha & n = 1 \\ a_n & n > 1, \end{cases}$$ shows that there is an element of ##S## with a distance ##2|\alpha|## from ##a##. So the distance ##d(a,S)## should be at most ##2|\alpha|##. What am I misinterpreting?

I am assuming that the question is correct in its assertion that d(a,S) \leq |\alpha|.
 
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psie said:
I'm given the following hint. Given ##a=(a_n)\in c_0\setminus S##, set ##\alpha=\sum _{n=1}^{\infty }2^{-n}a_n## and show that ##d(a,S)\leq|\alpha|##. Let ##x=(x_n)\in S##, suppose that ##\lVert a-x\rVert\leq|\alpha|##, and obtain a contradiction.
Let ##a=(a_1,a_2,a_3,...)\in c_0\setminus S## be given and according to the metric

psie said:
It is ##d(a,S)=\inf\{\lVert a-x\rVert :x\in S\}##, where the norm is ##\lVert a\rVert=\sup_n |a_n|##.
We can check that ##\alpha## is finite and estimate range of values it can take
$$\left|\ \alpha \right| ~
= \left| \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{a_n}{2^n} \right|
\leq \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{\|a\|}{2^n}
= \|a\| \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^n}
= \|a\|$$

Let ##x=(a_1-\alpha,a_2-\alpha,a_3-\alpha,...)## is given where
$$ \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{x_n}{2^n}
= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{a_n-\alpha}{2^n}
= \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{a_n}{2^n} - \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{\alpha}{2^n}
=\alpha-\alpha
=0$$
and
$$d(a,x)
=\| a-x\|=\sup_{n \in \mathbb{N}} |a_n-x_n|
=\sup_{n \in \mathbb{N}} |a_n-a_n+\alpha|
= |\alpha|$$
but ( Edit: ##-\alpha## instead of ##\alpha## in lim ...)
$$\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} x_n = -\alpha \neq 0 \Rightarrow x \not\in S $$
Can you do something about ##x \not\in S## ?
 
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Bosko said:
We can check that ##\alpha## is finite and estimate range of values it can take
$$\left|\ \alpha \right| ~
= \left| \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{a_n}{2^n} \right|
\leq \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{\|a\|}{2^n}
= \|a\| \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^n}
= \|a\|$$
This computation shows ##d(a,S)\leq \lVert a\rVert##, but how does one show ##d(a,S)\leq |\alpha|##?
 
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psie said:
This computation shows ##d(a,S)\leq \lVert a\rVert##, but how does one show ##d(a,S)\leq |\alpha|##?
TIP:
If ##\sum_{i=1}^{\infty} 1/2^i=1## and ##\sum_{i=n+1}^{\infty} 1/2^i=1/2^n##
how much is
$$\sum_{i=1}^{n} \frac{1}{2^i}=?$$

Can you make array of sequences
##x_1=(a_1-\text{"something"},a_2,a_3,...)##
##x_2=(a_1-\text{"something"},a_2-\text{"something"},a_3,...)##
....
##x_n=(a_1-\text{"something"},a_2-\text{"something"},a_3-\text{"something"},...,a_{n-1}-\text{"something"},a_n-\text{"something"},a_{n+1},...)##
...
so that they belong to ##S## ?

Check #2 post > https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...e-nearest-point-property.1059670/post-7055518
What @pasmith doing ?
 
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Bosko said:
TIP:
If ##\sum_{i=1}^{\infty} 1/2^i=1## and ##\sum_{i=n+1}^{\infty} 1/2^i=1/2^n##
how much is
$$\sum_{i=1}^{n} \frac{1}{2^i}=?$$
From
$$\sum_{i=1}^{n} \frac{1}{2^i}=1-\frac{1}{2^n}=\frac{2^n-1}{2^n}$$
it follows
$$\frac{2^n}{2^n-1} \sum_{i=1}^{n} \frac{1}{2^i}=1$$
Multiplying both sides by ##-\alpha## we get
$$- \frac{2^n\alpha}{2^n-1} \sum_{i=1}^{n} \frac{1}{2^i}=-\alpha$$
For n=1 sequence ##x_1## is ##(a_1-2\alpha,a_2,a_3,a_4,...)## and the distance from ##a## to ##x_1## is ##2\alpha##.
For n=2 sequence ##x_2## is ##(a_1-4\alpha/3,a_2-4\alpha/3,a_3,a_4,...)## and the distance from ##a## to ##x_2## is ##4\alpha/3##.
For n=3 sequence ##x_3## is ##(a_1-8\alpha/7,a_2-8\alpha/7,a_3-8\alpha/7,a_4,...)## and the distance from ##a## to ##x_3## is ##8\alpha/7##.
...
The distance from ##a## to ##x_n## is ##2^n\alpha/(2^n-1)##
 
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