Show that f'(0) exists and find its value

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In summary, the given condition states that for a continuous function f on the interval (-a,a), where a>0, if t is a real number between 0 and 1, then the limit of (f(x)-f(tx))/x as x approaches 0 is equal to b. To prove that f'(0) exists and find its value, you cannot use l'Hôpital's rule or the mean value theorem as you are not told that f is differentiable. However, starting from the given condition, you can show that f'(0) exists and is equal to b/(1-t).
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Hello! :D
I am looking at this exercise:
Let f: (-a,a)[tex]\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/tex] continuous at [tex]0[/tex].We suppose that for a [tex]t \epsilon (0,1) [/tex] this condition is satisfied:

[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(tx)}{x}=b [/tex]

Show that [tex] f'(0) [/tex] exists and find its value.

I thought that I could write it like that [tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(0)+f(0)-f(tx)}{x}=b \Rightarrow \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(0)}{x}+\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(0)-f(tx)}{x}=b\Rightarrow (1-\frac{1}{t})\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(0)}{x}=b[/tex]
So,[tex]f'(0)[/tex] exists and is equal to [tex] \frac{bt}{t-1} [/tex] .Are my thoughts right or am I wrong?
 
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If the first derivative exists at $0$ then by L'Hosiptal rule we have

\(\displaystyle \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(tx)}{x}= f'(0)-tf'(0) = b \)

\(\displaystyle f'(0)= \frac{b}{1-t}\)
 
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ZaidAlyafey said:
If the first derivative exists at $0$ then by L'Hosiptal rule we have

\(\displaystyle \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(tx)}{x}= f'(0)-tf'(0) = b \)

\(\displaystyle f'(0)= \frac{b}{1-t}\)

And that is the only thing I have to say?So...because of the fact that \(\displaystyle \frac{b}{1-t}\epsilon \mathbb{R}\) ,\(\displaystyle f'(0) \) exists,and its value is \(\displaystyle \frac{b}{1-t} \) ?
 
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evinda said:
Hello! :D
I am looking at this exercise:
Let f: (-a,a)[tex]\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/tex] continuous at [tex]0[/tex].We suppose that for a [tex]t \epsilon (0,1) [/tex] this condition is satisfied:

[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(tx)}{x}=b [/tex]

Show that [tex] f'(0) [/tex] exists and find its value.

I thought that I could write it like that [tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(0)+f(0)-f(tx)}{x}=b \Rightarrow \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(0)}{x}+\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(0)-f(tx)}{x}=b\Rightarrow (1-\frac{1}{t})\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(0)}{x}=b[/tex]
So,[tex]f'(0)[/tex] exists and is equal to [tex] \frac{bt}{t-1} [/tex] .Are my thoughts right or am I wrong?

The mean value theorem extablishes that, given a function f(*) continuous in [a,b] and differentiable in (a,b), it exists a number c in (a,b) such that... $\displaystyle f^{\ '} (c) = \frac{f(b) - f(a)} {b - a}\ (1)$

Setting in (1) b=x and a= t x, if ...

$\displaystyle \lim_{ x \rightarrow 0} \frac{f(x) - f(t\ x)}{x} = \alpha\ (2)$

... is also...

$\displaystyle \lim_{ x \rightarrow 0} \frac{f(x) - f(t\ x)}{x\ (1 - t)} = \frac{\alpha}{1 - t} = f^{\ '}(0)\ (3)$

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chisigma said:
The mean value theorem extablishes that, given a function f(*) continuous in [a,b] and differentiable in (a,b), it exists a number c in (a,b) such that... $\displaystyle f^{\ '} (c) = \frac{f(b) - f(a)} {b - a}\ (1)$

Setting in (1) b=x and a= t x, if ...

$\displaystyle \lim_{ x \rightarrow 0} \frac{f(x) - f(t\ x)}{x} = \alpha\ (2)$

... is also...

$\displaystyle \lim_{ x \rightarrow 0} \frac{f(x) - f(t\ x)}{x\ (1 - t)} = \frac{\alpha}{1 - t} = f^{\ '}(0)\ (3)$

And which interval [a,b] do we take??
 
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evinda said:
And which interval [a,b] do we take??

If You chose a= t x and b = x, then b-a = x (1 - t) and t x < c < x. If x tends to 0, then a, b and c tend to 0 and starting from...

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{f(x) - f(t\ x)}{x} = \alpha\ (1)$

... You arrive at...

$\displaystyle f^{\ '} (0) = \frac{\alpha}{1 - t}\ (2)$

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chisigma said:
If You chose a= t x and b = x, then b-a = x (1 - t) and t x < c < x. If x tends to 0, then a, b and c tend to 0 and starting from...

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \rightarrow 0} \frac{f(x) - f(t\ x)}{x} = \alpha\ (1)$

... You arrive at...

$\displaystyle f^{\ '} (0) = \frac{\alpha}{1 - t}\ (2)$

And [tex][a,b]=[tx,x][/tex] should be [tex] \subseteq (-a,a) [/tex] .Right?
 
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evinda said:
And [tex][a,b]=[tx,x][/tex] should be [tex] \subseteq (-a,a) [/tex] .Right?

So,can I start like that:f is continuous in [a,b][tex] \subseteq (-a,a) [/tex] and differentiable in (a,b),so it exists a number c in (a,b) such that [tex] f'(c)=\frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a}[/tex].
We select [tex]a=tx[/tex] and [tex]b=x[/tex] . ?
 
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evinda said:
Let f: (-a,a)[tex]\rightarrow \mathbb{R}[/tex] continuous at [tex]0[/tex].We suppose that for a [tex]t \epsilon (0,1) [/tex] this condition is satisfied:

[tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(tx)}{x}=b [/tex]

Show that [tex] f'(0) [/tex] exists and find its value.
ZaidAlyafey's comment shows that if $f'(0)$ exists then it is equal to $\dfrac b{1-t}.$ The snag with this, and with all the other comments, is that you are not told that $f$ is differentiable. You are not even told that it is continuous, except at the single point $0$. So you cannot use l'Hôpital's rule, or the mean value theorem, or any other result that requires differentiability, and you need to prove that $f$ is differentiable at $0$.

You are told that [tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(tx)}{x}=b [/tex]. So given $\varepsilon>0$ there exists $\delta>0$ such that \(\displaystyle \left|\frac{f(x)-f(tx)}{x} - b\right| < \varepsilon\) whenever $|x|<\delta.$ Therefore $$|f(x) - f(tx) - bx| < \varepsilon|x|.$$ Next, if $|x|<\delta$ then $|t^nx|<\delta$ for all $n\geqslant1$ (because $t<1$). So in the above inequality we can replace $x$ by $tx$, $t^2x,\ldots, t^{n-1}x,$ to get $$|f(tx) - f(t^2x) - btx| < \varepsilon t|x|,$$ $$|f(t^2x) - f(t^3x) - bt^2x| < \varepsilon t^2|x|,$$ $$\ldots$$ $$|f(t^{n-1}x) - f(t^nx) - bt^{n-1}x| < \varepsilon t^{n-1}|x|.$$ Now add those inequalities and use the triangle inequality, to get $$\left|\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\bigl(f(t^kx) - f(t^{k+1}x) - bt^kx\bigr)\right| \leqslant \sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\bigl|f(t^kx) - f(t^{k+1}x) - bt^kx\bigr| < \sum_{k=0}^{n-1} \varepsilon t^k|x|.$$ It follows, by summing the geometric and telescoping series, that \(\displaystyle \left| f(x) - f(t^nx) - \frac{b(1-t^n)x}{1-t} \right| < \frac{\varepsilon(1-t^n)|x|}{1-t}.\) Now you can let $n\to\infty$ and use the facts that $t^nx\to0$ and $f$ is continuous at $0$, to deduce that \(\displaystyle \left| f(x) - f(0) - \frac{bx}{1-t}\right| \leqslant \frac{\varepsilon |x|}{1-t}.\) After dividing through by $|x|$, you should be able to see that $f'(0)$ exists, and is equal to $\dfrac b{1-t}.$
 
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Opalg said:
ZaidAlyafey's comment shows that if $f'(0)$ exists then it is equal to $\dfrac b{1-t}.$ The snag with this, and with all the other comments, is that you are not told that $f$ is differentiable. You are not even told that it is continuous, except at the single point $0$. So you cannot use l'Hôpital's rule, or the mean value theorem, or any other result that requires differentiability, and you need to prove that $f$ is differentiable at $0$.

You are told that [tex] \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)-f(tx)}{x}=b [/tex]. So given $\varepsilon>0$ there exists $\delta>0$ such that \(\displaystyle \left|\frac{f(x)-f(tx)}{x} - b\right| < \varepsilon\) whenever $|x|<\delta.$ Therefore $$|f(x) - f(tx) - bx| < \varepsilon|x|.$$ Next, if $|x|<\delta$ then $|t^nx|<\delta$ for all $n\geqslant1$ (because $t<1$). So in the above inequality we can replace $x$ by $tx$, $t^2x,\ldots, t^{n-1}x,$ to get $$|f(tx) - f(t^2x) - btx| < \varepsilon t|x|,$$ $$|f(t^2x) - f(t^3x) - bt^2x| < \varepsilon t^2|x|,$$ $$\ldots$$ $$|f(t^{n-1}x) - f(t^nx) - bt^{n-1}x| < \varepsilon t^{n-1}|x|.$$ Now add those inequalities and use the triangle inequality, to get $$\left|\sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\bigl(f(t^kx) - f(t^{k+1}x) - bt^kx\bigr)\right| \leqslant \sum_{k=0}^{n-1}\bigl|f(t^kx) - f(t^{k+1}x) - bt^kx\bigr| < \sum_{k=0}^{n-1} \varepsilon t^k|x|.$$ It follows, by summing the geometric and telescoping series, that \(\displaystyle \left| f(x) - f(t^nx) - \frac{b(1-t^n)x}{1-t} \right| < \frac{\varepsilon(1-t^n)|x|}{1-t}.\) Now you can let $n\to\infty$ and use the facts that $t^nx\to0$ and $f$ is continuous at $0$, to deduce that \(\displaystyle \left| f(x) - f(0) - \frac{bx}{1-t}\right| \leqslant \frac{\varepsilon |x|}{1-t}.\) After dividing through by $|x|$, you should be able to see that $f'(0)$ exists, and is equal to $\dfrac b{1-t}.$

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Related to Show that f'(0) exists and find its value

1. What does it mean for f'(0) to exist?

When f'(0) exists, it means that the function f(x) is differentiable at x=0. This means that the slope of the tangent line at x=0 can be defined and the function has a well-defined derivative at that point.

2. How do you show that f'(0) exists?

To show that f'(0) exists, we can use the definition of the derivative: f'(x) = lim(h->0) (f(x+h) - f(x)) / h. We can evaluate this limit as h->0 to see if it exists and is finite. If it does, then f'(0) exists.

3. Can f'(0) exist but not be defined?

No, if f'(0) exists, it means that the function is differentiable at x=0. This means that the limit used to define the derivative at x=0 exists and is finite, so f'(0) will always be defined.

4. How can we find the value of f'(0)?

To find the value of f'(0), we can use the definition of the derivative and evaluate the limit as h->0. We can also use other methods such as the power rule, product rule, or quotient rule depending on the form of the function. We can also use technology such as a graphing calculator or computer software to estimate the value of f'(0).

5. Why is it important to show that f'(0) exists and find its value?

Knowing the value of f'(0) and showing that it exists is important because it tells us about the behavior of the function at x=0. It can help us determine if the function is increasing or decreasing at that point, and can also be used to find critical points and inflection points. Additionally, it is an important concept in calculus and is used in many applications in physics, engineering, and economics.

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