Show that (kn) is divisible by (n)^k ?

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The problem involves showing that (kn)! is divisible by (n!)^k, where k and n are integers. The discussion centers around factorials and their divisibility properties.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various factorization attempts and the potential use of induction. Some explore specific cases, such as when n and k are both equal to 2, to illustrate divisibility.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights and questioning the validity of their approaches. Some participants express uncertainty about the overlap of factors and the correctness of their reasoning, while others suggest different methods to tackle the problem.

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There are indications of confusion regarding specific cases and the generalization of results, particularly concerning the relationship between (kn)! and (n!)^k. Participants are also considering the implications of overlapping factors in their reasoning.

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Show that (kn)! is divisible by (n!)^k ?

Homework Statement


Show that (kn)! is divisible by (n!)^k.


The Attempt at a Solution


I attempted a factorization of the problem as follows:
(kn)! = (kn)*(kn-1)*(k-2)...(kn-n+1) *
((k-1)n-1)*((k-1)n-2)*((k-1)n-1)...((kn-1)n-n+1)*
((k-2)n-1)*((k-2)n-2)*((k-2)n-1)...((kn-2)n-n+1)*
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((k-k+1)n-1)*((k-k+1)n-2)*((k-k+1)n-1)...((k-k+1)n-n+1)

Then, I wanted to factor that into: (k!)(n!)^k... which I now realize is illegal. I feel like I'm close or headed in the right direction? Any advice? Thanks a lot!
 
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You probably meant (kn)! and not (kn!).
 
just a tought: have you tried induction? You will have to use induction on k first, and then on n.
 
Show that (kn)! is divisible by (n!)^k.

An idea:

First, for n: Clearly n^k divides (kn)! since n, 2n, 3n, ..., kn will give you (k!)*(n^k).
Similarly, for any integer a < n, we have ka < kn and thus a, 2a, 3a, ..., ka will give you (k!)*(a^k).
So each of (2^k), (3^k), (4^k), ..., ((n-1)^k), and (n^k) are factors of (kn)!.

It looks like the proof is almost finished, but you have to show that these factors don't "overlap." Or rather, for n > 3, overlapping is inevitable, so you have to find a way around that.

Don't know if this is the right path.
 
Here's another idea: if n= k= 2, then (kn)!= 4!= 24 while (n!)^k= 2^4= 16. And 24 is NOT divisible by 16.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Here's another idea: if n= k= 2, then (kn)!= 4!= 24 while (n!)^k= 2^4= 16. And 24 is NOT divisible by 16.
It should be 2^2 = 4, which does divide 24.
 
Oh, blast!
 
quasar987 said:
just a thought: have you tried induction? You will have to use induction on k first, and then on n.

I'm not sure induction would be of much use here unless I knew the algebraic sequence to go through to make the two sides equal. But it did give me a little more insight...

I tried to do the first couple k's, so that I'd have a base case to start from:

k=1, (kn)! = (1n)! which is obviously divisible by (n!)^1

k=2, (kn)! = (2n)! = (2n)(2n-1)(2n-2)(2n-3)(2n-4)(2n-5)(2n-6)(2n-7)(2n-8)...
= 2(n)(2n-1)2(n-1)(2n-3)2(n-2)(2n-5)2(n-3)(2n-7)2(n-4)...
= (2^n)(n!)(2n-1)(2n-3)(2n-5)(2n-7)...

I feel like I found a pattern... if I can find another n! in this, maybe I can generalize and all would be good and well?




jjou said:
Show that (kn)! is divisible by (n!)^k.

An idea:

First, for n: Clearly n^k divides (kn)! since n, 2n, 3n, ..., kn will give you (k!)*(n^k).
Similarly, for any integer a < n, we have ka < kn and thus a, 2a, 3a, ..., ka will give you (k!)*(a^k).
So each of (2^k), (3^k), (4^k), ..., ((n-1)^k), and (n^k) are factors of (kn)!.

It looks like the proof is almost finished, but you have to show that these factors don't "overlap." Or rather, for n > 3, overlapping is inevitable, so you have to find a way around that.

Don't know if this is the right path.


I'm not exactly following you... because when you put that all together you get ((k!)^n)*((n!)^k), which as far as I can tell isn't a factor of the original (kn)! Am I missing something terribly obvious here?

Thanks for everyone's help!
 

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