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The discussion revolves around the equation x^5 + 10x + c = 0 and its properties regarding the number of real roots within the interval [-1, 1]. Participants are exploring the implications of the function's behavior and its derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss evaluating the endpoints of the interval to find values of c, questioning the validity of their assumptions regarding the location of roots. There is mention of examining the derivative to understand the function's monotonicity and its implications for the number of roots.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints about considering the derivative, while others are clarifying their understanding of the function and its derivative. There is an ongoing exploration of how the derivative's behavior relates to the existence of roots in the specified interval.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the correct form of the equation being analyzed, with multiple iterations of the equation being presented. This may affect the assumptions and conclusions drawn by participants.

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Homework Statement


Show that x^5 +10x +c=0 has at most one real root on the interval [-1, 1]

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The Attempt at a Solution



I first try to find an x value inorder to find c so i take the end points of the interval and solve for for c

-1 +6=-c
-5=c

1-6=-c
-5=cI get two c's which isn't right so I'm guessing depending on which c i choose there is only 1 root?
 
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Hint: Look at the derivative.
 
Blast you, LCKurtz!

I was going to say that!
 
LCKurtz said:
Hint: Look at the derivative.
So i took the derivative and got:
f'(x)=5X^4 -6

So i plug in the end points and the outputs seem to be the same which means that f'(x)<0 on [-1,1] meaning that it can only cross the x-axis once along that interval, correct?
 
HallsofIvy said:
Blast you, LCKurtz!

I was going to say that!

Heh heh. Go ahead and say it. :smile: It's OK to repeat, like Erdos did when he gave a "silver spoon" argument: "Chebyshev said it, and I say it again, There is always a prime between n and 2n".
 
Painguy said:
So i took the derivative and got:
f'(x)=5X^4 -6

The derivative of 10x is -6?
 
LCKurtz said:
The derivative of 10x is -6?

woops it seems i wrote the wrong equation in the original post. The equation in question is

x^5 -6 +c =0

sorry about that
 
Painguy said:
woops it seems i wrote the wrong equation in the original post. The equation in question is

x^5 -6 +c =0

sorry about that

So the derivative is..., and therefore...?
 
LCKurtz said:
So the derivative is..., and therefore...?
f'(x)=5X^4 -6

f'(x)<0 on [-1,1]

therefore there is only 1 root?
 
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Between any two roots of a polynomial, there is a root of its derivative. Since f' has no root in [-1, 1], f can has no more than one root in that interval.

Now, what can you say about c so that there exists exactly one root in that interval?
 
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Painguy said:
woops it seems i wrote the wrong equation in the original post. The equation in question is

x^5 -6 +c =0

sorry about that

LCKurtz said:
So the derivative is..., and therefore...?

Painguy said:
f'(x)=5X^4 -6

The derivative of -6 is not -6.
 
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LCKurtz said:
The derivative of -6 is not -6.

Wow what's wrong with me I meant to say

x^5 -6x +c =0

Please forgive my stupidity. :P
 
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Painguy said:

Homework Statement


Show that x^5 +10x +c=0 has at most one real root on the interval [-1, 1]


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



I first try to find an x value inorder to find c so i take the end points of the interval and solve for for c

-1 +6=-c
-5=c

1-6=-c
-5=c


I get two c's which isn't right so I'm guessing depending on which c i choose there is only 1 root?

Aside from the fact that this isn't the right approach, you are making two tacit assumptions.
1. When you substitute x = -1, you are assuming that the root is at x = -1, and looking for the value of c that makes that happen.
2. When you substitute x = 1, you are now assuming that the root is at x = +1, and looking for the almost certainly different value of c that makes that happen.

It would be extremely unusual for the same value of c to work in both cases.
 

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