Show that the total relativistic energy of a proton

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The problem involves calculating the total relativistic energy of a proton moving in a specific frame, where the speed of the proton is given in relation to the speed of light. The context is within the subject area of relativistic physics, specifically focusing on energy-momentum relations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various equations related to relativistic energy, including the total energy equation and the Lorentz factor. There is uncertainty about the correct application of these equations to derive the total energy of the proton.

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Some participants have offered guidance on substituting values into the equations and have pointed out the relationship between velocity and the Lorentz factor. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct interpretation of terms like Etrans and how to approach the calculations without needing specific values for mass or speed of light.

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Participants express confusion regarding certain terms and calculations, indicating a need for clarification on the definitions and applications of the equations involved. There is also mention of the time taken to understand the concepts, suggesting a learning process in progress.

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Homework Statement



The mass of a proton when at rest is m. According to an observer using the
detector frame, the speed of the anticlockwise moving bunch, A, is such that
va^2/c^2=24/25
Show that the total relativistic energy of a proton in bunch A, as observed in
the detector frame, is exactly 5mc^2, and work out the speed of the proton,
expressed as a decimal multiple of c, (to 5 significant figures).

Homework Equations


Right I think its these
E=mc^2
Etot=mc^2/√1-v^2/c^2
Etrans=mc^2/1-v^2/c^2
and maybe
E^2tot=p^2c^2+m^2c^4
p=mv/1-v^2/c^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Now I know that to get Etot you need e=mc^2 and Etrans and so maybe combing these equations will give the answer but I think this IS not the right to get 5mc^2.
So maybe its E^2tot equation I have to use.
Im just not sure.
 
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well if [itex]\frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}}=\frac{24}{25}[/itex]

and the mass of the proton is m, and Etot = mc2[itex]\gamma[/itex]

where [itex]\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}}}}[/itex]

then why don't you just try plugging the values in?

I'm not sure what Etrans is supposed to beand to solve for the velocity of the proton all you need is [itex]\frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}}=\frac{24}{25}[/itex]
 
Yeah getting that wrong about Etrans, just looked at my textbooks and was reading it wrong . I have an asnwwer for the last bit not sure if rights but this is what I have for that.
24/25 x 3.00 x10^8 =2.88000 x 10^8 ?

So are you saying just add the values for a proton = 1.67 x 10^-27
the speed of light 3.00 x 10^8
and then add 24=v and 25=c into the gamma part
 
if [itex]\frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}}=\frac{24}{25}[/itex]

then [itex]v=c\sqrt{\frac{24}{25}}[/itex]

and just leave it as a multiple of c


for the first part all you need to write is

[itex]E_{tot}=\frac{mc^{2}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}}}}[/itex]

and then substitute [itex]\frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}}[/itex] for [itex]\frac{24}{25}[/itex]

you should be able to do it in your head, no need to put in the mass of the proton or the exact speed of light, since the answer you want is just 5mc2 where m is the mass of the proton and c is the speed of light
 
Thank you very much I have now , its taken two days for that to sink in !
 

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