SHOW: x(at) is a periodic signal with period T/a (a>0)

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The discussion revolves around proving that if x(t) is a periodic signal with period T, then x(at) is also a periodic signal with period T/a, where a > 0. Additionally, it addresses the periodicity of x(t/b) with period bT, where b > 0.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definition of x_a(t) = x(at) and question the assumption of periodicity with period T/a. There is a focus on verifying the relationship x_a(t) = x_a(t + T/a) and its implications.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to verify the correctness of the reasoning presented. Some participants express agreement with the original poster's approach, while others challenge the assumption made about periodicity, indicating a mix of perspectives on the validity of the argument.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of proving periodicity without assuming it as a given, which is central to the problem's requirements.

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Homework Statement



If x(t) is a periodic signal with period T, show that x(at), a > 0, is a periodic signal with period [itex]\frac{T}{a}[/itex], and [itex]x\left(\frac{t}{b}\right)[/itex], b > 0, is a periodic signal with period bT.



Homework Equations


HINT: Define [tex]x_a(t)\,=\,x(at)[/tex] and [tex]x_b(t)\,=\,x\left(\frac{t}{b}\right)[/tex]. Show that [tex]x_a\left(t\,+\,T_a\right)\,=\,x_a(t)\,\forall\,t\,\in\,\mathbb{R}[/tex] and [tex]x_b\left(t\,+\,T_b\right)\,=\,x_b(t)\,\forall\,t\,\in\,\mathbb{R}[/tex], where [tex]T_a\,=\,\frac{T}{a}[/tex] and [tex]T_b\,=\,bT[/tex].


The Attempt at a Solution



I take the hint, and define

[tex]x_a(t)\,=\,x(at)[/tex]

Now, I assume that [itex]x_a(t)[/itex] is periodic, with a period [itex]\frac{T}{a}[/itex]

[tex]x_a(t)\,=\,x_a\left(t\,+\,\frac{T}{a}\right)[/tex]

[tex]x_a\left(t\,+\,\frac{T}{a}\right)\,=\,x\left[a\left(t\,+\,\frac{T}{a}\right)\right]\,=\,x\left(at\,+\,T\right)[/tex]

[tex]\therefore\,x_a\left(t\,+\,\frac{T}{a}\right)\,=\,x_a(t)\,\forall\,t\,\in\,\mathbb{R}[/tex]


Does this seem right?
 
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VinnyCee said:

Homework Statement



If x(t) is a periodic signal with period T, show that x(at), a > 0, is a periodic signal with period [itex]\frac{T}{a}[/itex], and [itex]x\left(\frac{t}{b}\right)[/itex], b > 0, is a periodic signal with period bT.



Homework Equations


HINT: Define [tex]x_a(t)\,=\,x(at)[/tex] and [tex]x_b(t)\,=\,x\left(\frac{t}{b}\right)[/tex]. Show that [tex]x_a\left(t\,+\,T_a\right)\,=\,x_a(t)\,\forall\,t\,\in\,\mathbb{R}[/tex] and [tex]x_b\left(t\,+\,T_b\right)\,=\,x_b(t)\,\forall\,t\,\in\,\mathbb{R}[/tex], where [tex]T_a\,=\,\frac{T}{a}[/tex] and [tex]T_b\,=\,bT[/tex].


The Attempt at a Solution



I take the hint, and define

[tex]x_a(t)\,=\,x(at)[/tex]

Now, I assume that [itex]x_a(t)[/itex] is periodic, with a period [itex]\frac{T}{a}[/itex]
You can't assume that- that's what you are trying to prove!

[tex]x_a(t)\,=\,x_a\left(t\,+\,\frac{T}{a}\right)[/tex]

But from here on you are okay. You aren't using "[itex]x_a(t)= x_a(t + T/a)[/itex]" you are using a(x+ T)= a(x) which is your hypothesis.

[tex]x_a\left(t\,+\,\frac{T}{a}\right)\,=\,x\left[a\left(t\,+\,\frac{T}{a}\right)\right]\,=\,x\left(at\,+\,T\right)[/tex]

[tex]\therefore\,x_a\left(t\,+\,\frac{T}{a}\right)\,=\,x_a(t)\,\forall\,t\,\in\,\mathbb{R}[/tex]


Does this seem right?
 

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