Showing functions form a basis

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The problem involves demonstrating that the functions po(t)=1, p1(t)=t, p2(t)=1/2(3t2-1), and p3(t)=(3/2)*[(5/3)t3-t] form a basis for the vector space P3(R), where R represents all real numbers. The context centers around the properties of linear independence and spanning sets in polynomial spaces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the need to prove that each function has a unique representation as a linear combination. There are attempts to set up equations to demonstrate linear independence and span, with some participants questioning the implications of specific values for coefficients.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the requirements for proving linear independence and spanning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of equations, and there is an acknowledgment of the dimensionality of the space involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the dimension of P3 is 3, implying that any independent set of three functions will suffice to form a basis. There is also mention of the need to avoid using the same coefficients in both sides of the equations when demonstrating spanning.

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Show that the functions po(t)=1, p1(t)=t, p2(t)=1/2(3t2-1), and p3(t)=(3/2)*[(5/3)t3-t) also form a basis for the vector space P3(R) ... "R" meaning all real numbers

Homework Equations



I know these polynomials are the first four Legendre polynomials


The Attempt at a Solution



I know that proving functions form a basis involves proving that each funciton has a unique representation as a linear combination... I'm not certain on what this means exactly but I'm trying my best to figure it out... here's my work so far on the problem

a(1) + b(t) + c/2(3t2-1) + d/2(5t3-3t) = a + bt + ct2 + dt3

at t=0 ; -c/2 = 0 ; so c=0

a + b(t) + d/2(5t3-3t)=0
at t=0 ; a=0
at t=1 ; b=-d
at t=2 ; -2d + d/2(34) = 15d = 0 ; d=0 ; b=0

so the legendre polynomials are a linearly independent set at; 1/2 + t - 3/2t + 3/2t2 +5/3t3 = 1/2-1/2t+3/2t2+5/3t3
; a polynomial in the span of P(R) that forms a basis

thanks in advance for any advice you have to offer me :smile:
 
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gpax42 said:
I know that proving functions form a basis involves proving that each funciton has a unique representation as a linear combination... I'm not certain on what this means exactly but I'm trying my best to figure it out... here's my work so far on the problem

a(1) + b(t) + c/2(3t2-1) + d/2(5t3-3t) = a + bt + ct2 + dt3
To show linear independence, you want to set the righthand side to zero and show that requires a=b=c=d=0.

You also need to show the four polynomials span P3(R). This time, you want the righthand side to be an arbitrary 3rd-degree polynomial -- so don't use a, b, c, and d that appear on the lefthand side on the righthand side -- and show you can solve for a, b, c, and d.
 
Ok, so you want to show a+b*t+c*t^2+d*t^3 has a unique representation of the form A*p0(t)+B*p1(t)+C*p2(t)+D*p3(t). That means you just want to find A, B, C, and D in terms of a, b, c and d, right? You really don't have to put t values in. You know a+b*t+c*t^2+d*t^3=a'+b'*t+c'*t^2+d'*t^3 only if a=a', b=b', c=c' and d=d', yes? So just start at the top. What is the relation between d and D?
 
is it D = dt2/[(5/2)t2-(3/2)]
 
gpax42 said:
is it D = dt2/[(5/2)t2-(3/2)]

Nooo. D is supposed to be constant. Expand the Legendre side and equate the cubic terms.
 
Since [itex]\{ 1, x, x^2\}[/itex] form a basis for P3, you know that it has dimension 3. That, in turn, tells you that any independent set of three functions will be a basis. After you have shown that the given functions are independent, you don't have to show that they span the space.
 
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ooo alright, thanks for all the helpful explanations =D
 

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