Showing Integration Factor of Homogeneous Equation of Degree n

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The discussion centers around demonstrating that \(\frac{1}{M_x + N_y}\) serves as an integrating factor for the homogeneous equation \(M(x, y)dx + N(x, y)dy = 0\) of degree \(n\). Participants express uncertainty about the implications of the degree of the equation and how to effectively show that the integrating factor makes the equation exact.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Some participants attempt to show that the integrating factor leads to an exact equation by differentiating terms, but express confusion about the process. Others question the problem statement regarding the degree of differential equations, suggesting that it may refer to the algebraic degree of the functions involved. There are discussions about the implications of homogeneity and how it relates to the form of the equation.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem and attempting to clarify the role of the integrating factor. Some have received hints from their teacher that may guide their approach, but there is no clear consensus on how to proceed effectively.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem states the integrating factor is given, leading to confusion about how to demonstrate its validity. There is also mention of a subsequent problem that complicates the understanding of the integrating factor's effectiveness.

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Hey...

So the question is as stated:

Show that
[tex]\frac{1} {M_x + N_y}[/tex], where [tex]M_x+N_y[/tex] is not identically zero, is an integrating factor of the homogeneous equation [tex]M(x, y)dx+N(x, y)dy=0[/tex] of degree n.

So I am not too sure where to go with this. I suppose what it's saying is, that I'm supposed to show that with the integrating factor, it's an exact equation, so differentiating the [tex]\frac{M(x, y)} {M_x + N_y}[/tex] term with respect to y should equal the value from differentiating [tex]\frac{N(x, y)} {M_x + N_y}[/tex] with respect to x...
but that doesn't work,
and I'm not sure what else will.

I'm looking at my book, which says that only sometimes will an integrating factor make an equation like this exact; however, it does say that [tex]M(x, y)dx+N(x, y)dy=0[/tex] has degree n. Does that imply that they are polynomial equations, and if so, how would this help me? Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
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daveed said:
Show that
[tex]\frac{1} {M_x + N_y}[/tex], where [tex]M_x+N_y[/tex] is not identically zero, is an integrating factor of the homogeneous equation [tex]M(x, y)dx+N(x, y)dy=0[/tex] of degree n.

Are you sure about the problem statement? Differential equations don't have a degree, they have an order.
 
I think the key is that the equation is homogeneous...

ie. [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{-M(x,y)}{N(x,y)}[/tex]

but because of the homogenity,

* rethinking *

The right-hand side must be a function of [tex]\frac{x}{y}[/tex] or [tex]\frac{y}{x}[/tex]...

* probably best to ignore me on this one *
 
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Are you sure about the problem statement? Differential equations don't have a degree, they have an order.

I asked my teacher about that part, and she says that it implies the functions [tex]M[/tex] and [tex]N[/tex] are algebraic functions of degree [tex]n[/tex]
However, I don't know how to incorporate that into a proof(because such a strategy for finding an integrating factor wouldn't be true in general, so the being a polynomial part must be important)

J77,
I am not quite sure what you mean. The problem states that that thing IS the integrating factor, so I assumed that by multiplying it out and "showing the result is exact" would be sufficient.

Do you think that I could get it in the form of [tex]F(y/x)[/tex] in every form? Because if so... I guess I could attempt a proof. The problem is, that the very next problem says to use the process from this problem, and , when we try it, the integrating factor still doesn't make the expression exact(in the second problem).
:confused:
 
daveed said:
J77,
I am not quite sure what you mean. The problem states that that thing IS the integrating factor, so I assumed that by multiplying it out and "showing the result is exact" would be sufficient.
yeah - I was a bit confused, sorry.

Sticking that solution back in, I end up with...

[tex]M_y(M_x+N_y)-M(M_{xy}+N_{yy})=N_x(M_x+N_y)-N(M_{xx}+N_{yx})[/tex]
 
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That's about where I stopped too... heh
 
daveed said:
That's about where I stopped too... heh
If you multiply those brackets out, is there not a clear reversing of the product rule that comes out - my brain's in Friday meltdown... :-p
 
Saying that the d.e. is "homogeneous of degree n" means that if you replace both x and y by [itex]\lambda x[/itex] and [itex]\lambda y[/itex] the only effect is to multiply the equation by [itex]\lambda^n[/itex]. That, itself, means that you can write the equation completely in terms of [itex]\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)^n[/itex] or that M(x,y) and N(x,y) involve only terms of the form [itex]x^iy^j[/itex] where i+ j= n.
 
It's been a few days, and I still haven't made much headway on this. Our teacher gave us a hint, which was that we need to get it into the form
[tex](NM_x - MN_x)x + (NM_y - MN_y)y[/tex]

Which I can see equalling 0, by the definition given by HallsofIvy above, because
[tex]N(xM_x + yM_y) - M(xM_x + yN_y) = nNM - nNM = 0[/tex]

Though, I'm at a loss as to how to get to that form...
 
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