Showing that the complex functions are constant in t.

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of complex position vectors for two parallel interacting fluid vortices, specifically examining their time-dependent properties in the complex plane. The problem involves deducing that certain combinations of these complex functions remain constant over time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of complex functions, questioning whether to apply linearity in differentiation and how to handle complex conjugates. There is also discussion on the application of the chain rule for composite functions.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the differentiation process and the application of the chain rule. Others have attempted to clarify the geometric representation of the problem, although some express uncertainty about visualizing the geometric aspects.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem, with some expressing confusion over specific steps in the differentiation process and the geometric interpretation of the results. There is a recognition of the need for further clarification on certain mathematical operations and assumptions.

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Showing that the complex functions are constant in t. Please Help! :)

Homework Statement


The complex position vectors of two parallel interacting equal fluid vortices moving with their axes of rotation always perpendicular to the z-plane are z1 and z2. The location of the vortices are then given by their respective coordinates x1,y 1 and x2, y2. It turns out to be useful to think of these coordinates as specifying a point in the complex plane, in which case the locations of the two fluids at a given time t are given by two complex numbers z1(t)=x1(t)+iy1(t) and z2(t)=x2(t)+iy2(t). The equations governing their motions are:
\frac{dz*_{1}}{dt}=\frac{-i}{z_{1}-z_{2}}
\frac{dz*_{2}}{dt}=\frac{-i}{z_{2}-z_{1}}

(1) Deduce that (a) z1+z2, (b)z1-z2, (c)z12+z22 are all constant in time,(2) and hence descibe the motion geometrically.

Homework Equations


General z:
z=x+iy
Complex Conjugate:
z*=\overline{z}=x-iy
Modules of Norm of z:
|z|=\sqrt{(z*)z}=\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}

A constant function is define by:
\frac{df(t)}{dt}=0 OR f'(t)=0

The Attempt at a Solution


Wow. That was a "wordy" question. So I think I got 1.a but I'm requesting help on the rest of the question.
(a) z1+z2
Now I'm not sure if I should be showing whether
\frac{d}{dt}[z1+z2]=0
Or if
\frac{d}{dt}[z1]+\frac{d}{dt}[z2]=0
Either way for this question I get...
\frac{d}{dt}[z1]+\frac{d}{dt}[z2]=[\frac{d}{dt}[z*1]+\frac{d}{dt}[z*2]]*=[\frac{-i}{z_{1}-z_{2}}+\frac{-i}{z_{2}-z_{1}}]*=[\frac{-i}{z_{1}-z_{2}}+\frac{-i}{-(z_{1}-z_{2})}]*=[\frac{-i}{z_{1}-z_{2}}+\frac{i}{z_{1}-z_{2}}]*=[\frac{-i+i}{z_{1}-z_{2}}]*=[0]*=0

(b) z1-z2
This is where I start to get lost. I apply a similar method:
\frac{d}{dt}[z1]-\frac{d}{dt}[z2]=[\frac{d}{dt}[z*1]-\frac{d}{dt}[z*2]]*=[\frac{-i}{z_{1}-z_{2}}-\frac{-i}{z_2-z_1}]*=[\frac{-i}{z_{1}-z_{2}}+\frac{i}{z_2-z_1}]*=[\frac{-i}{z_{1}-z_{2}}+\frac{i}{-(z_1-z_2)}]*=[\frac{-2i}{z_{1}-z_{2}}]*
And I don't know what to do to make it zero.

(c) I have not attempted yet.

(2) I don't know how I would represent them geometrically on an x,y plane.



Thank you for the help, I really appreciate it and the work you guys do on here :)
 
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First: yes ##\frac {d(z_1 +z_2)}{dt} = \frac {z_1}{dt} + \frac {z_2}{dt}.## d/dt is always a linear operator.
For part b you are practically there. You didn't apply your conjugate in the last step. (It had to be a minus sign somewhere).

For the ##z^2## situation, you need to use the chain rule. df/dt = df/dz##\cdot## dz/dt.

Re geometric representation, unfortunately I am geometry-blind -- I have no idea how things look; but I'm sure someone else will help.
 
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brmath clearly meant \frac{dz_1}{dt}+ \frac{dz_2}{dt}.

For the "geometric representation", if z_1- z_2 and z_1+ z_2 is constant, then so is (z_1- z_2)(z_1+ z_2)= z_1^2- z_2^2. If, in addition, z_1^2+ z_2^2 is constant, so is (z_1^2+ z_2^2)+ (z_1^2- z_2^2)= z_1^2 which, of course, means that z_2^2 is also always constant. This set will consist of four points: (a, b), (-a, b), (a, -b), and (-a, -b).
 
HallsofIvy said:
brmath clearly meant \frac{dz_1}{dt}+ \frac{dz_2}{dt}.

yes, that is indeed what brmath mean
 

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