Showing the properties of differentiating an integral

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differentiation of an integral, specifically the expression \(\frac{d}{dt}\left[\int y\,\mathrm{d} x\right]\) and its relationship to the variables involved. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding the assumptions about the functions involved.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to show that \(\frac{d}{dt}\left[\int y\,\mathrm{d} x\right] = y\,\frac{dx}{dt}\).
  • Another participant questions whether this is a homework problem, suggesting that it may not fit the typical format of standard homework questions.
  • A participant proposes that if \(y\) and \(x\) are functions of \(t\), then \(y\) can be expressed as \(y(x(t))\) and discusses the application of the chain rule in this context.
  • There is a reiteration that the problem was posed out of curiosity rather than as a homework question, with a participant expressing a desire for textbooks to provide answers that follow a similar template.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the problem is a homework question, with some asserting it is not, while others emphasize the standard nature of typical homework problems. The discussion regarding the assumptions about the functions \(y\) and \(x\) remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the relationships between the variables \(y\), \(x\), and \(t\) that are not fully articulated, particularly regarding whether \(y\) depends on \(t\) directly or only through \(x\). The mathematical steps involved in the differentiation process are also not fully resolved.

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How do we show that

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\left[\int\!y\,\mathrm{d} x\right] = y\,\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]
 
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greswd said:
How do we show that

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\left[\int\!y\,\mathrm{d} x\right] = y\,\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]
Is this a homework problem?
 
greswd said:
How do we show that

[tex]\frac{d}{dt}\left[\int\!y\,\mathrm{d} x\right] = y\,\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]
Are we to assume, here, that y and x are functions of t? If we assume that y is a function of x only (with no "t" that is not in the "x") and x is a function of t, then we an write y(x(t)).

Of course, then [tex]F(x)= \int y dt[/tex] is the function such that dF/dx= y. Given that, we have that [itex]d/dt(\int y dx)= dF/dt= (dF/dx)(dx/dt)= y(x)(dx/dt)[/itex] by the chain rule.
 
Mark44 said:
Is this a homework problem?

Nope. Homework questions are usually standard, and answers are all in the textbooks.
I came up with this problem just out of curiosity.


Anyway, thanks for the solution HallsofIvy
 
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greswd said:
Nope. Homework questions are usually standard, and answers are all in the textbooks.

I wish my textbooks had the answers!
 
DrewD said:
I wish my textbooks had the answers!

not the exact answers, but they all follow the same template
 

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