Simple gravitational force problem (Gregory Classical Mechanics)

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The problem involves calculating the gravitational force exerted on a symmetric sphere by an infinite plane with a uniform mass distribution. The sphere has a radius and mass, and its center is positioned at a certain distance from the plane. The context is rooted in classical mechanics, specifically gravitational interactions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the representation of the sphere as a point mass and the integration of forces from the plane. There are inquiries about the correctness of the setup and the approach to integrating the gravitational force components. Some participants express uncertainty about the simplification of integrals and the use of coordinate systems.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some have confirmed the correctness of the derivation while others are exploring different methods to simplify the integral. There is no explicit consensus, but productive suggestions have been made regarding the use of polar coordinates.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the complexities of the integral setup and the assumptions made regarding the geometry of the problem. There is a focus on ensuring that all components of the gravitational force are appropriately accounted for in the integration process.

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Homework Statement



This is question 3.7 from Gregory's Classical Mechanics textbook.

A symmetric sphere of radius a and mass M has its center a distance b from an infinite plane containing a uniform distribution of mass ## \sigma ## per unit area. Find the gravitational force exerted on the sphere

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From what I understand, a solid sphere can be represented as if it were a single particle of mass M concentrated at its center of mass, call this point ##S##. So, the way I approached the problem was summing (integrating) up the forces exerted on this point by each infinitesimally small area ##dxdy## on the plane.

The mass of each infinitesimal on the plane is ##m = \sigma dA##. I also let ##\theta## represent the angle between SB (where B is the straight line distance from the point S) and the line drawn from S to the infinitesimal. Then, the equation I got was:

## F = MG \int _A \sigma \cos (\theta) / R^2 dA ##
## F = MG\sigma \int _A R\cos (\theta) / R^3 dA ##
## F= MG\sigma \int _A b/R^3 dA ##
## F = MGb\sigma \int _{-\infty}^\infty \int _{-\infty}^\infty 1/(x^2 + y^2 + b^2)^{3/2} dxdy ##

If anyone could let me know if I have set this up correctly (I get the feeling I have not), and how to approach this problem, I'd be really grateful. Thanks!
 
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The reduction of the problem to that of a point mass is correct.

Then, as far as I can see, you integrate the parallel component of the force, ignoring the perpendicular component. I think you owe us an explanation here.
 
So from what I understand, if we drop a straight line from the center of the sphere S to where it meets the plane, say that point is O, we'll have a line SO perpendicular to the plane of length ##b##. Then if we drop another straight line from S to a particular point on the plane, say X, then SOX becomes a right triangle where the angle created by the lines SO and SX is ##\theta##. Also:

##|SO| = b##
##|OX| = R \sin(\theta)##
##|SX| = R##

Then, I supposed by symmetry, that all the component forces by each point ##X## in the plane will sum up to a single perpendicular force pointing in the direction of ##SO##. So, if each point ##X## attracts S in its direction with a force of magnitude

## F' = m(\sigma dA)G/R^2 ##

Then its force in the direction of SO ought to be ##F = F'\cos (\theta)##. That's how I derived my integral in the form of

##F = mG \int _A \sigma \cos (\theta)/R^2 dA ##

Please help me understand where I've made my error! Thanks again!
 
There is no error in your derivation. It is entirely correct. You just need to finish integration.
 
Hmm, then maybe I am having trouble with simplifying the integral. What is the most efficient way to do it? What I thought to do is this:

##F = MG\sigma \int _A \cos (\theta) / R^2 dA ##
##F = MG\sigma \int _A R\cos (\theta) /R^3 dA ##
##F = MG\sigma \int _A b / R^3 dA##

After this, I assumed by the pythagorean theorem that ##R = \sqrt{ x^2 + y^2 + b^2 }##, but then I end up with what looks like a nasty integral:

##F = MG\sigma b \int _{-\infty}^{\infty} \int _{-\infty}^{\infty} 1/ (\sqrt{x^2 + y^2 + b^2})^3 dxdy##

Is there another way to approach this, or am I simplifying the integral wrongly? Thanks!
 
Ah never mind, I've figured it out. The better way is to use polar coordinates for the area of the plane. The integral simplifies to

## F = MGb\sigma \int _{0}^{2\pi} \int _{0}^{\infty} r/(r^2+b^2)^{3/2}drd\phi ##

Thanks for the help.
 

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