Simple Harmonic Motion - Finding period of oscillation of block

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The discussion revolves around determining the period of oscillation for a block in a system involving ideal springs and a massless rod on a frictionless surface, specifically within the context of simple harmonic motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the problem using two different approaches involving torque and force, leading to different expressions for angular frequency. Participants question the independence of variables x and θ, and there is discussion about the correct formulation of restoring forces.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the relationship between the variables and the correctness of the original poster's equations. Some participants offer guidance on treating the variables, while others express confusion about the implications of their dependence.

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There is an indication of ambiguity regarding the signs in the force equations and the assumptions about the relationship between displacement and angular displacement. The original poster's attempts have not led to a consensus on the correct method or solution.

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Homework Statement



In the given figure, all the springs and pulley are ideal and surface is frictionless. The rod is massless. The time period of horizontal oscillations of the block is?

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I used two different approaches and both give different and wrong answers-

Consider a very small rotation of the rod by an angle θ. Let x be the displacement of the mass m.

1) Torque-

Trestoring = -(k/4*2*(lθ)*l + k(2lθ)*2l)

Simplfiying and writing L.H.S as 4ml2α

α = -9k/8m*θ

ω2 = 9k/8m

2) Force-

Frestoring = -(k*2lθ + k/4*2*lθ) = -5klθ/2 = -5kx/4

a=-5kx/4m

ω2 = 5k/4m

Can someone point out any mistake above and show me the correct method?
 

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Hi Abdul! :smile:

You need to treat x as independent of θ. :wink:

(and I think your Trestoring = -(k/4*2*(lθ)*l + k(2lθ)*2l) has too many 2s)
 


x and θ are dependent. How can they be independent of each other?

Which '2' do you think is redundant?
 
Abdul Quadeer said:
x and θ are dependent. How can they be independent of each other?

The mass m is not fixed, so x and θ can vary independently. :wink:
 


ok...so the force due the lower spring is k(2lθ+/-x) ?
How do I decide whether it is + or - ?
 
I don't really understand your question :confsued: …

you decide which way x goes, and which way θ goes.
 


I got the answer. Thank you!
 

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