Simple harmonic motion on an incline

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The discussion focuses on the calculation of equilibrium position in simple harmonic motion on an incline, specifically involving a spring and gravitational forces. The key equation used is F = -dU/dx, leading to the equilibrium position calculated as x = -0.075 m. The confusion arises regarding the reference point for this displacement, as the solution indicates it is measured from an unstretched spring length rather than an arbitrary position. The correct interpretation of Hooke's Law is essential for understanding the relationship between displacement and equilibrium.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F = -dU/dx


The Attempt at a Solution


[itex]U = \frac{1}{2}kx^2 + mgxsin\theta \\\\<br /> F = -(kx + mgsin\theta) \\\\<br /> F = -kx - mgsin\theta \\\\[/itex]

We want to set the force = 0 because that's when the block is in equilibrium with no forces acting on it.

[itex]0 = -kx - mgsin\theta \\\\<br /> x = -\frac{mgsin\theta}{k} \\\\<br /> x = -\frac{\frac{14.0}{g}gsin\theta}{k} \\\\<br /> x = -\frac{14.0sin(40 deg)}{120} \\\\<br /> x = -0.075[/itex]

So since 0.075 m is the equilibrium position, it is the distance from the top of the incline to the equilibrium position, but the solution says that 0.075 m is the displacement from the position 0.450 m to equilibrium. I didn't even include 0.450 m in the equation, how can I assume that x is the distance from 0.450 to 0.075? Why is it not some arbitrary position to 0.075?
 
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Homework Statement


[ img]http://i.imgur.com/WpQ7NqB.png[/PLAIN]

Homework Equations


F = -dU/dx

The Attempt at a Solution


[itex]U = \frac{1}{2}kx^2 + mgxsin\theta \\\\<br /> F = -(kx + mgsin\theta) \\\\<br /> F = -kx - mgsin\theta \\\\[/itex]

We want to set the force = 0 because that's when the block is in equilibrium with no forces acting on it.

[itex]0 = -kx - mgsin\theta \\\\<br /> x = -\frac{mgsin\theta}{k} \\\\<br /> x = -\frac{\frac{14.0}{g}gsin\theta}{k} \\\\<br /> x = -\frac{14.0sin(40 deg)}{120} \\\\<br /> x = -0.075[/itex]

So since 0.075 m is the equilibrium position, it is the distance from the top of the incline to the equilibrium position, but the solution says that 0.075 m is the displacement from the position 0.450 m to equilibrium. I didn't even include 0.450 m in the equation, how can I assume that x is the distance from 0.450 to 0.075? Why is it not some arbitrary position to 0.075?
The solution you refer to is correct. The 0.075 m is the amount the spring is stretched from its unstretched length.

Check Hooke's Law again.

It may say [itex]\ \ F_\text{Spring}=-k(x - x_0)\,, \[/itex] where x is the length of the spring, and x0 is the unstretched length.

Or it may say [itex]\ \ F_\text{Spring}=-k\,x\,, \[/itex] where x is the amount the spring is stretched (from its unstretched length).
 

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