Simple Harmonic Motion troubles.

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving two blocks released from a height, one of which interacts with a spring. The scenario describes the timing of the blocks' movements, specifically that one block hits the table as the other reaches an instantaneous rest position.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the time it takes for the springless block to hit the table and the period of the spring system. There is discussion about the meaning of "instantaneous rest" in the context of the spring system and whether it indicates the spring's return to its equilibrium position.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions made about the spring system and exploring the implications of instantaneous rest. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the spring's equilibrium position and the oscillation of the mass.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of conservation of energy principles and the need to consider both systems in the analysis. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the implications of instantaneous rest and the relationship between the two blocks' movements.

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Homework Statement


Two 100g blocks are held 80 cm above a table. As shown in the figure, one of them is just touching a 80cm-long spring. The two blocks are released at the same time. The block on the left just hits the table at exactly the same instant as the block on the right first comes to an instantaneous rest.


Homework Equations



Conservation of energy!
mgh = 0.5kx^2



The Attempt at a Solution



So for the spring system, we know that net Fy = 0, therefore -kx = mg therefore x = mg/-k. I plugged that x value back into the "0.5kx^2" side to eliminate the x variable and just have a single isolated k. From there on I was able to isolate appropriately to find a potential value for k.

Is my logic correct? It seems a bit bizarre that we don't deal with the other non-spring system.
 
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EtherMD said:
1. The problem statement, ... The block on the left just hits the table at exactly the same instant as the block on the right first comes to an instantaneous rest.


The Attempt at a Solution



So for the spring system, we know that net Fy = 0,


Instantaneous rest means zero velocity, not zero force.

ehild
 
Perhaps can I find the time it takes the springless mass to hit the table and then relate it to the period of the spring-system? The values won't be the same but it makes sense that the first time would be a fraction of the period.
Also, just a concept clarification: When it says the mass is at instaneous rest (i.e. net velocity = 0, as mentioned by ehild) does that mean the spring system is back at its original equilibrium position?

Thanks!
 
The equilibrium position of the mass on the spring would be at the height where the spring force is equal to gravity. The body will oscillate around this point, between the original position and a height where its original potential energy is converted to elastic energy. Here the body is in instantaneous rest. The distance between these extremes is twice the amplitude.
During the time period T, the body returns to its original position, with the original velocity. The time between the two extreme positions is half of the period, that is T/2. This time is the same as the time needed for the other body to fall down. If you find this time, you will know the time period of the SHM.
You know the relation between spring constant, mass and time period of a SHM.

ehild
 

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