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The discussion revolves around concepts in linear algebra, specifically focusing on vector spaces, bases, null spaces, and ranges. Participants explore the relationships between different variable representations in spans and the properties of linear maps.

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  • Participants question whether expressing a basis in terms of different variables affects the outcome and how to prove that different spans are equivalent. There is also discussion about the relationship between the null space and range of linear maps.

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The conversation includes various perspectives on the nature of vector spaces and bases, with some participants suggesting methods for proving span equivalence through matrix representation. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of the concepts involved, with no clear consensus reached.

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So as for the basis of a vector space, I can express it in terms of 2 variables, say, x3 and x4, or x1 and x2, etc... Does it matter which two variables I express the components in the form of? I would think that there is no difference, but just making sure...

Also, aren't the null space and range complementary? Such that you need to do one to form the other?
 
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The question though, is how can we prove that the two spans, expressed in terms of different variables, are the same?
 
I think you ought to post an example to illustrate what you mean for the first part. A matrix does not have basis. Vector spaces have bases. A matrix is not a vector space.

The kernel (null space) and range, assuming you're speaking of a linear map (matrix) from V to V, are not complementary. They can even coincide: exrcise, find an example in 2x2 matrices.
 
Simfishy said:
The question though, is how can we prove that the two spans, expressed in terms of different variables, are the same?

If you're asking how can we tell if two sets of vectors span the same subspace, then put them in two matrices (as the rows) and put the matrices in reduced row echelon form.
 
Ok. So I have to find the basis of -x1 + 2x2 - x4 = 0 and x2 + x3 = 0. Now the official solution expresses them in terms of x3 and x4. I expressed them in terms of x1 and x3. So then essentially, I have to put them in matrices and then simplify to reduced echelon form to see if they are row equivalent or not, right?

edit: okay, it's easy to see. Same thing. And we can see that it forms a basis once again. Just in different variables - but we re-arrange them to see that it doesn't really matter.
 
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What are x1, x2 and so on?
 
Just components of x, which is a subspace of R4
 
Simfishy said:
. So I have to find the basis of -x1 + 2x2 - x4 = 0 and x2 + x3 = 0.

Please state problems clearly! What you mean is that you have to find a basis for the subspace of R4 of vectors of the for <x1, x2, x3, x4> that satisfy those equations: -x1 + 2x2 - x4 = 0 and x2 + x3 = 0.

Here's one way to do that: since there are two equations in four unknowns, we can expect to be able to solve for two of them in terms of the other 2. Here it is obvious, from the second equation, that x3= -x2. Since x3 doesn't appear in the first equation at all, we can just solve it for, say, x1 in terms of x2 and x4: x1[\sub]= 2x2- x4.
Now we know that 3= -x2 and x1[\sub]= 2x2- x4 for any vectors in this subspace. If we take x2= 1, x4= 0, then x3= -1 and x1= 2(1)- 0= 2 so the vector is <2, 1, -1, 0>. If we take x2= 0, x4= 0 then we have x3= 0 and x1= 2(0)- 1= -1 so the vector is <-1, 0, 0, 1>. Those two vectors form a basis for the subspace.
 

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