Simple pendulum: Determine the velocity

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a homogeneous bar fixed at one end and subjected to a constant force, requiring the determination of the velocity and angular velocity when the bar reaches a horizontal position. The context is within the study of rotational dynamics and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of work and energy principles, with attempts to incorporate gravitational effects into their calculations. Questions arise regarding the clarity of the problem statement, particularly concerning the direction of the applied force and the role of gravity.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the problem, with participants questioning assumptions about the force's direction and the inclusion of gravitational effects. Some have suggested that the initial interpretation of the force may have been incorrect, leading to discrepancies with the book's answer.

Contextual Notes

The problem does not explicitly mention gravitational forces, leading to confusion among participants about its relevance in the calculations. The clarity of the force's direction and its implications on the system's dynamics is also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


A homogeneous bar with length 0.6 m and mass m = 2 kg is fixed to a wall via a hinged connection in the vertical plane. At the end of the bar a constant force F acts of 150 N. The bar is released from the vertical equibrilium position. Determine the velocity (of the COG) and the angular velocity of the bar when the bar reaches a horizontal postition.

The answer from the book is: \omega = 26.4 rad/s and v_{COG} = 7.9 m/s

Homework Equations


Work moment : M = I \theta
Rotational energy:

\frac{1}{2} I \omega ^2

The Attempt at a Solution


M \theta =\frac{1}{2} I \omega ^2 =\frac{1}{2} (\frac{1}{3}ML^2) \omega ^2

150 \cdot0.6 \cdot \pi/2= 1/2 \cdot 1/3\cdot 2 \cdot 0.6^2 \cdot \omega^2 \rightarrow \omega =\ 34.32 rad/s

What mistake am I making?
 
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I see no gravity here.
 
Potential energy
 
The gravity is not mentioned in the exercise but let's add it:

M \theta =\frac{1}{2} I \omega ^2 + mg\Delta h \rightarrow\ \omega = 23.5\ rad/s

Why is my answer not agreeing with the one from the book?
 
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The question is not clear. Which way is F acting initially, and which way does it act later?
It says the force is constant, not that its magnitude is constant. That suggests its direction is constant.
 
Yeah you're right the question is posed wrongly.. I found out I get the right answer if I assume the force acts horizontally.
 

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