Simple spring-constant equation

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The discussion revolves around determining the spring constant of a spring based on measured extensions at various loads, as well as calculating the work done to extend the spring. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically Hooke's Law and work-energy principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the calculation of the spring constant using given force and extension values. Questions arise regarding the average force needed to calculate work done when extending the spring, and the reasoning behind using average values in the context of variable force.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the necessity of using average force for work calculations. Some have provided insights into the relationship between force and extension, while others express confusion about the reasoning behind certain calculations. There is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the underlying physics concepts.

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Participants note the importance of understanding how force varies with extension in springs, and the implications this has for calculating work. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity on definitions and assumptions related to the spring constant and work done.

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Homework Statement



You decide the spring constant k of a spring by measuring the extension x at different loads. Result is displayed in diagram:

4 cm extension = 10 Newton
4.5 cm extension = 11 Newton
6 cm extension = 15 Newton

The graph which I have is uploaded here: http://nces.ed.gov/nceskids/createagraph/index.asp?ID=5881274468fc4a8e9f509058747271cb (Just press preview)

a) Determine the spring constant.
b) How much work does it take to extend the spring by 4.5 cm?

Homework Equations



k = N/d (d = distance)

W = F * d

The Attempt at a Solution



a) Ok, so I start out with deciding the spring constant. I know 4 cm is 10 Newton, so I begin:

k = 10 N / 0.04 m
k = 250 N

b) Then I try to figure out the work:

I see that the spring at 4.5 centimeters takes 11 Newton of force.

W = 0.045 * 11

W = 0.0495 J

However the solution says it's 0.25 J.

My teacher tried to explain it has to do with the average length, that because of this you have to divide your work in 2. So: W = (0.045*11)/2

W = 0.2475 J and rounded: 0.25 J

Also he tried to explain that I could use the spring constant equation:

k = F/d

k * d = (F/d)*d

k * d * d = F * d

k * d^2 = F * d <- Where I see the point that this is also work.

But still, why do I have to divide the given work in two?

Thanks for any help.
 
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What is the spring force when the spring is unstretched at x = 0?
What is the spring force when the spring is stretched to x = 4.5 cm?
What is the average spring force during the time that the spring is stretched from x = 0 cm to x = 4.5 cm?
So it doesn't take much work to stretch the spring at the beginning, but it takes much more work to stretch it at the end. That's why you need to use the average to calculate the overall amount of work.
 
The units for a spring constant will be N/m or similar.
 
Looks to me like k = k(x). Hooke wouldn't have liked it ...
 
Oh right, it's 250 N/m. I still don't understand why I have to use the average?
 
rude man said:
Looks to me like k = k(x). Hooke wouldn't have liked it ...
No really. The force increases in proportion to x (F = kx), but the amount of work needed to increase the length by the same incremental change dx increases as the spring is stretched: dW=kxdx.
Chet
 
dW = kxdx where dx is delta x or distance times x?
 
Bindle said:
dW = kxdx where dx is delta x or distance times x?
It's delta x, with delta x being very small. dW is delta W (work) with delta x being very small. For a given Δx, ΔW depends on the amount of x that was already there (i.e., the tension kx that is already in the spring). Every time you try to stretch the spring just a little more, for the same amount of additional stretch, the going gets harder and harder. So you do very little work when you first start to stretch the spring, but you do much more work once the spring already has been somewhat stretched. That's why you use the average force to calculate the total amount of work done.
Chet
 
Wow, thank you. No I see it.
 

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