Simplest possible light sensor relative calibration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for relative calibration of a light sensor, specifically a photomultiplier tube (PMT), using an integrating sphere and optical cables. Participants explore the effects of multiple light sources on PMT readings, the behavior of light wavelengths through the integrating sphere, and potential intensity losses in optical cables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the expected PMT pulse rate when using two identical optical cables connected to an integrating sphere, suggesting it should be approximately double if the sources are close enough.
  • Another participant notes that the PMT's dead time may prevent the pulse rate from being exactly double.
  • A question is raised regarding the output wavelength of light from the integrating sphere when using a laser as the input, with uncertainty about whether the wavelength would change.
  • Participants discuss whether an integrating sphere or optical cable can change the wavelength of light, with one suggesting that no change is expected in a simple setup without additional materials.
  • It is mentioned that significant frequency shifts require special materials, and light traveling through air or vacuum retains its frequency.
  • A participant asks about potential reductions in light intensity when transmitting light through optical fiber cables of varying lengths, leading to a discussion about inherent losses in cables.
  • Another participant confirms that no cable is completely loss-free and that losses depend on the light frequency, as specified in the cable's datasheet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the wavelength of light remains unchanged in the discussed setup, but there is uncertainty regarding the exact behavior of light intensity in optical cables and the implications of PMT dead time on pulse rates. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on these topics without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the effects of the integrating sphere and optical cables on light properties, and the discussion highlights the need for specific information from datasheets regarding cable losses.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for beginners in the field of photonics or those interested in light sensor calibration techniques, as well as individuals exploring the properties of optical fibers and integrating spheres.

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I am looking for way how to do relative calibration of light sensor (PMT). I would appreciate any suggestions or links to sources with description how to do it in very simple (understand also cheap if possible) way.

For example. Let say that I have integration sphere with two outpust. I have two optical cables connecting to sphere. Let's assume that those two cables are identical. Optical cable enlight PMT sensor from some distance in black box. I can measure light characterstics by PMT (not calibrated). With distribution maximum at point I_max_one_source.

If I connect two cables from integration sphere to black box, playing role of two very close sources, should I see 2 times more pulses on PMT? So will I see distribution with maximum at point

I_max_two_sources = 2 x I_max_one_source?

Any other way or suggestions how to do simple calbration are appreciated.

Thanks for answers to naive questions from beginner in the field.
 
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If the sources are close enough to give two times the light intensity at the position of the PMT, then you can get approximately twice the pulse rate. Not exactly due to the dead time of the PMT.
 
Thank you for answer.

If laser light (green one for example) will be used as input to integration sphere (as light source), what hapend to output (from integration sphere) light wavelength? Output wavelength(s) will be simmilar or same or different (how much?) to laser wavelength?
 
Is there something that would change the frequency of the light? I don't know the setup.
 
I am not sure, because that, let me ask in diffrent way - my questions then are:

Can integrating sphere change wavelength? I suppose no, but because I am beginner, I would like to ask it.
Can optical cable change wavelength?

There is nothing more, just air in black box and integrating sphere. So in simple setup without anything else I am not expecting change of wavelength. Could you confirm it?
 
(Significant) frequency shifts come from materials only - and you need special materials for that. Light passing through vacuum or air will simply keep its frequency.
The wavelength in a medium depends on the local speed of light within, but once the light leaves the material it goes back to its initial value if no frequency shift occurred.
 
Thank you.

Another question. Output from integrating sphere will be carried in-by optical fiber cable. Is there reduction of light intensity in cable? So if cable will be let say 1, 10 cm and 100 cm long should be any reduction expected?
 
john824 said:
Is there reduction of light intensity in cable?
No cable is completely loss-free. The loss (as function of the light frequency) should be given in the datasheet of the cable.
 

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