Simplify Expression and Find Product of a*b + 15m + 11n + 8

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The discussion revolves around simplifying the expression a*m*b + 15*m + 11*n + 8 and finding a value for a that allows the expression to be factored into a product involving terms with m and n. There is some confusion regarding the correct formulation of the expression and its components.

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  • Participants explore how to express the given polynomial as a product of two binomials, questioning the correct interpretation of the terms involved and the relationships between coefficients.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the coefficients and the necessary conditions for factoring the expression. There is ongoing clarification regarding the correct formulation of the expression and the implications of the terms involved.

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There is mention of a potential misinterpretation of the original expression, with participants debating the correct terms and their roles in the factorization process. The expression is also noted to be squared and possibly inverted, adding complexity to the discussion.

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for which value of a the expression write a*m*b+15*m+11*n+8 can be written into a product
of something(with m)*something (with n)

i can think how to find the product of this expression
 
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Two points- first the problem does NOT ask you to find the product- it asks you to find a so that it can be written as a product. Second, you have written the problem incorrectly. That first term "amb" does not mmae any sense. You could just combine "b" into "a". Further a product of a "something (with n)" and "something (with m)" must have a term in which m and n themselves are mutiplied. I believe the problem was "a*m*n", not "a*m*b".

"Something with n" times "something with m" would be of the form (pm+ q)(sn+ t) for some numbers p, q, s, and t. Multiplying that, (ps)mn+ (pt)m+ (qs)n+ qt. For that to be amn+ 15m+ 11n+ 8 we must have ps= a, pt= 15, qs= 11, and qt= 8. If we divide qs= 11 by qt= 8, the "q"s cancel and we get t/s= 11/8. If we divide ps= a by pt= 15, the "p"s cancel and we get s/t= a/15. From t/s= 11/78 we get s/t= 8/11 and so must have a/15= 8/11.
 
i forgot to say that the expression is (a*m*n+15*m+11*n+8)^2 but its says that this a that we found its not correct...
 
and its 1/(this expression)...
 
where is the wrong?
 
HallsofIvy said:
ps= a, pt= 15, qs= 11, and qt= 8. ... a/15= 8/11.
a = ps = (pt)(qs)/(qt) = 15*11/8
 

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