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The discussion revolves around simplifying a complex algebraic expression involving fractions. Participants are exploring different approaches to combine terms and clarify the simplification process, with a focus on handling a compound fraction.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expression and begins simplifying it, focusing on the third term as a compound fraction.
  • Another participant suggests a method to clear the compound fraction by multiplying by a common denominator, leading to a new expression.
  • Some participants express confusion about the simplification steps and propose alternative forms of the expression, questioning the correctness of earlier steps.
  • There is a correction regarding a missing term in the numerator during simplification, highlighting the collaborative nature of the discussion.
  • Participants continue to refine their expressions, with one suggesting a final form that remains unverified by others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the final simplified form of the expression. Multiple approaches and interpretations of the simplification process are presented, leading to some confusion and corrections.

Contextual Notes

Some steps in the simplification process are left unresolved, and there are dependencies on the interpretation of the compound fraction. The discussion includes various assumptions about the algebraic manipulations involved.

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Ok.. What about this one?

$$\frac{1}{y+1}+\frac{2}{x+2}+\frac{\frac{x+2}{y+1}-2}{x+2}$$

this is where I am at:

\left(\frac{x+2}{y+1}-2\right)
 
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headbang said:
Ok.. What about this one?

$$\frac{1}{y+1}+\frac{2}{x+2}+\frac{\frac{x+2}{y+1}-2}{x+2}$$

this is where I am at:
Let's clear that mess in the 3rd term:
$$\frac{1}{y+1}+\frac{2}{x+2}+\frac{\frac{x+2}{y+1}-2}{x+2} \cdot \frac{(y + 1)}{(y + 1)}$$

$$\frac{1}{y+1}+\frac{2}{x+2}+\frac{(x+2) - 2(y + 1)}{(x+2)(y + 1)}$$

$$\frac{1}{y+1}+\frac{2}{x+2}+\frac{x - 2y}{(x+2)(y + 1)}$$
Now just add the fractions. Give it a try and tell us how it goes from here.

-Dan
 
Can the ansver be:

$$\frac{2+x}{4y}$$ And i stil don't understand how you solved the messy 3rd term..?

what i did from where you left me..

$$\frac{x+2+2y+2+x-y}{(x+2)(y+1)}$$

$$\frac{4+2x+y}{(8x+2)(y+1)}$$

$$\frac{2*2+x*x+y}{x*y+2y+y+y+2}$$
 
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headbang said:
Ok.. What about this one?

$$\frac{1}{y+1}+\frac{2}{x+2}+\frac{\frac{x+2}{y+1}-2}{x+2}$$

this is where I am at:

\left(\frac{x+2}{y+1}-2\right)

I moved the posts associated with your new problem into a separate thread. We ask that new questions not be tagged onto an existing thread...this way the original thread does not potentially become convoluted and hard to follow. :D
 
headbang said:
Can the ansver be:

$$\frac{2+x}{4y}$$ And i stil don't understand how you solved the messy 3rd term..?

what i did from where you left me..

$$\frac{x+2+2y+2+x-y}{(x+2)(y+1)}$$
First things first: The equation above is almost correct. You missed a 2 in the last term in the numerator. It should be
$$\frac{x+2+2y+2+x-2y}{(x+2)(y+1)}$$

Okay, the third term in your problem is what is known as a "compound fraction." Compound fractions have fractions in the numerator, denominator, or both. Let's take this one step by step.
[math]\frac{\frac{x + 2}{y + 1} - 2}{x + 2}[/math]

The goal here is to remove the fraction in the numerator. Clearly if we multiply the numerator by y + 1 the fraction goes away. And what we do to the numerator we need to do to the denominator. So:
[math]\frac{\frac{x + 2}{y + 1} - 2}{x + 2} \cdot \frac{y + 1}{y + 1}[/math]

Now simplify:
[math]\frac{\frac{x + 2}{y + 1} - 2}{x + 2} \cdot \frac{y + 1}{y + 1} = \frac{\left ( \frac{x + 2}{y + 1} \right ) (y + 1) - 2(y + 1)}{(x + 2)(y + 1)}[/math]

[math]\frac{(x + 2) - 2(y +1)} {(x + 2)(y + 1)}[/math]

And now go from there.

-Dan
 
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$$\frac{x+2+2y+2+x-2(y+1)}{(x+2)(y+1)}$$

$$2y+2+x-2=x+2y$$

Ok?
 

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