Simplifying the inverse Laplace Transform using the inverse shift formula

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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse Laplace Transform of the expression $\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+18}$. Participants explore methods for simplifying the expression, particularly through completing the square and applying the inverse shift formula.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach the inverse Laplace Transform of a non-factorable quadratic.
  • Another participant suggests completing the square as a method to simplify the denominator.
  • Several participants provide detailed steps for rewriting the expression, including completing the square and applying the inverse Laplace Transform formulas.
  • A participant proposes an alternative approach by replacing $s$ with $s+3$ instead of $s-3$, leading to a different expression for the inverse transform.
  • Another participant explains their reasoning for using the inverse shift formula to simplify the expression further.
  • There are multiple formulations of the inverse Laplace Transform, with different participants arriving at different expressions based on their approaches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to approach the problem, as different methods and interpretations are presented. Some participants validate each other's steps, while others explore alternative approaches without resolving the differences.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the transformations and the applicability of the inverse shift formula. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning, particularly regarding the implications of different substitutions made in the expressions.

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before I go to bed(it's 11:30pm in my place), here is the last problem that I need help with

find the inverse Laplace Transform

$\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+18}$

the denominator is a non-factorable quadratic. I don't know what to do.

thanks!
 
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Hint: Try completing the square on the denominator...:D
 
Drain Brain said:
before I go to bed(it's 11:30pm in my place), here is the last problem that I need help with

find the inverse Laplace Transform

$\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+18}$

the denominator is a non-factorable quadratic. I don't know what to do.

thanks!

Hmmm, 11:30pm... You wouldn't happen to live in Perth would you? :P

Mark is right, completing the square is the way to go. You will then need to apply a shift...
 
Drain Brain said:
before I go to bed(it's 11:30pm in my place), here is the last problem that I need help with

find the inverse Laplace Transform

$\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+18}$

the denominator is a non-factorable quadratic. I don't know what to do.

thanks!

$$\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+18}=\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+9+9}=\frac{4s-2}{(s-3)^2+9}=4 \frac{s}{(s-3)^2+9}-2 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9} \\ =4 \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9}+10 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9}$$

$$\mathscr{L}^{-1} \left ( 4 \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9}+10 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9}
\right )=4 \mathscr{L}^{-1} \left( \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9} \right )+\frac{10}{3} \mathscr{L}^{-1}\left (\frac{3}{(s-3)^2+9}
\right ) \\ =4 e^{3t} \cos(3t)+\frac{10}{3} e^{3t} \sin(3t)$$
 
evinda said:
$$\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+18}=\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+9+9}=\frac{4s-2}{(s-3)^2+9}=4 \frac{s}{(s-3)^2+9}-2 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9} \\ =4 \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9}+10 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9}$$

$$\mathscr{L}^{-1} \left ( 4 \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9}+10 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9}
\right )=4 \mathscr{L}^{-1} \left( \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9} \right )+\frac{10}{3} \mathscr{L}^{-1}\left (\frac{3}{(s-3)^2+9}
\right ) \\ =4 e^{3t} \cos(3t)+\frac{10}{3} e^{3t} \sin(3t)$$

Looks good :)
 
evinda said:
$$\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+18}=\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+9+9}=\frac{4s-2}{(s-3)^2+9}=4 \frac{s}{(s-3)^2+9}-2 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9} \\ =4 \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9}+10 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9}$$

$$\mathscr{L}^{-1} \left ( 4 \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9}+10 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9}
\right )=4 \mathscr{L}^{-1} \left( \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9} \right )+\frac{10}{3} \mathscr{L}^{-1}\left (\frac{3}{(s-3)^2+9}
\right ) \\ =4 e^{3t} \cos(3t)+\frac{10}{3} e^{3t} \sin(3t)$$

Impeccable...but now the OP doesn't get to "play." :D
 
evinda said:
$$\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+18}=\frac{4s-2}{s^2-6s+9+9}=\frac{4s-2}{(s-3)^2+9}=4 \frac{s}{(s-3)^2+9}-2 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9} \\ =4 \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9}+10 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9}$$

$$\mathscr{L}^{-1} \left ( 4 \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9}+10 \frac{1}{(s-3)^2+9}
\right )=4 \mathscr{L}^{-1} \left( \frac{s-3}{(s-3)^2+9} \right )+\frac{10}{3} \mathscr{L}^{-1}\left (\frac{3}{(s-3)^2+9}
\right ) \\ =4 e^{3t} \cos(3t)+\frac{10}{3} e^{3t} \sin(3t)$$

I was kind of happy when I saw the solution to this last problem thinking that I'll just copy it and wulah! my assignment is complete but then I noticed something and tried to solve the problem myself.

Instead of replacing $s$ with $s-3$ I replaced it with $s+3$ to have $s^2+3^2$

$e^{3t}\mathscr{L}^{-1}\left[4\frac{s+3}{s^2+3^2}-2\frac{1}{s^2+3^2}\right]$

$e^{3t} \mathscr{L}^{-1}\left[4\left(\frac{s}{s^2+3^2}+\frac{3}{s^2+3^2}\right)-2\frac{1}{s^2+3^2}\right]$

$e^{3t} \left[4\left(\cos(3t)+\frac{3}{3}\sin(3t)\right)-\frac{2}{3}\sin(3t)\right]$$e^{3t}\left[4\cos(3t)+4\sin(3t)-\frac{2}{3}\sin(3t)\right]$

$4e^{3t}\cos(3t)+4e^{3t}\sin(3t)-\frac{2}{3}e^{3t}\sin(3t)$ ---->>> this is my final answer please check :)

 
Drain Brain said:
I was kind of happy when I saw the solution to this last problem thinking that I'll just copy it and wulah! my assignment is complete but then I noticed something and tried to solve the problem myself.

Instead of replacing $s$ with $s-3$ I replaced it with $s+3$ to have $s^2+3^2$

$e^{3t}\mathscr{L}^{-1}\left[4\frac{s+3}{s^2+3^2}-2\frac{1}{s^2+3^2}\right]$

$e^{3t} \mathscr{L}^{-1}\left[4\left(\frac{s}{s^2+3^2}+\frac{3}{s^2+3^2}\right)-2\frac{1}{s^2+3^2}\right]$

$e^{3t} \left[4\left(\cos(3t)+\frac{3}{3}\sin(3t)\right)-\frac{2}{3}\sin(3t)\right]$$e^{3t}\left[4\cos(3t)+4\sin(3t)-\frac{2}{3}\sin(3t)\right]$

$4e^{3t}\cos(3t)+4e^{3t}\sin(3t)-\frac{2}{3}e^{3t}\sin(3t)$ ---->>> this is my final answer please check :)

How did you get to this relation: $e^{3t}\mathscr{L}^{-1}\left[4\frac{s+3}{s^2+3^2}-2\frac{1}{s^2+3^2}\right]$ ?
 
evinda said:
How did you get to this relation: $e^{3t}\mathscr{L}^{-1}\left[4\frac{s+3}{s^2+3^2}-2\frac{1}{s^2+3^2}\right]$ ?

using the Inverse shift formula $\mathscr{L}^{-1}[F(s)]=e^{\alpha t}\mathscr{L}^{-1}[F(s+\alpha)]$. I want to get rid of -3 in my denominator to simplify it to $\frac{4(s+3)}{(s+3-3)^2+3^2}=\frac{4(s+3)}{(s)^2+3^2}$ you can see that this matches with
$\frac{s}{s^2+\beta^{2}}=\cos(\beta t)$ and $\frac{\beta}{s^2+\beta^{2}}=\sin(\beta t) $
 
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Drain Brain said:
using the Inverse shift formula $\mathscr{L}^{-1}[F(s)]=e^{\alpha t}\mathscr{L}^{-1}[F(s+\alpha)]$. I want to get rid of -3 in my denominator to simplify it to $\frac{4(s+3)}{(s+3-3)^2+3^2}=\frac{4(s+3)}{(s)^2+3^2}$ you can see that this matches with
$\frac{s}{s^2+\beta^{2}}=\cos(\beta t)$ and $\frac{\beta}{s^2+\beta^{2}}=\sin(\beta t) $

I checked it...It is correct! (Yes)
 

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