Simplifying Trigonometric Identities for Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of trigonometric identities related to derivatives, specifically focusing on the expression involving arcsin(sqrt(1-x^2)) and its relationship to arccos(x). Participants explore algebraic manipulations and seek clarification on the underlying identities and their implications for differentiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the expression sqrt(1-(sqrt(1-x^2))^2) = sqrt(x^2) and suggests it should lead to sqrt(-x^2) instead.
  • Another participant corrects the algebraic manipulation, indicating that 1 - (1 - x^2) simplifies to x^2, not -x^2.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the relationship between arcsin(sqrt(1-x^2)) and arccos(x), noting that their derivative appears to align with the derivative of arccos.
  • Discussion includes a suggestion that the relationship can be understood through the Pythagorean theorem and standard trigonometric identities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the clarity of the relationship between arcsin(sqrt(1-x^2)) and arccos(x). While some agree on the algebraic simplification, others express uncertainty about the implications and connections to trigonometric identities.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential gaps in understanding trigonometric identities and their applications, particularly in the context of derivatives. There is an acknowledgment of the need for familiarity with standard identities to fully grasp the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or individuals seeking to deepen their understanding of trigonometric identities, derivatives, and their interrelations in calculus.

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http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sqrt%281-%28%28sqrt%281-x^2%29%29^2%29

how is it that the sqrt(1-(sqrt(1-x^2))^2)=sqrt(x^2)?
shouldnt it be sqrt(-x^2)?, because (sqrt(1-x^2))^2=1-x^2, so then you have sqrt(1-1-x^2)
which would give you sqrt(-x^2)

im trying to find the derivative of arcsin(sqrt(1-x^2)) ,0<x<1
and well it might be that I've forgotten about some algebraic trick i can do here its been bugging me for a while now that i can't solve this
can someone please explain this to me, its really confusing me :confused:
also not asking for the answer to my derivative, I am pretty sure i can finish it off once i know why the above statement is true

thanks in advance
 
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hi miglo! :smile:

(have a square-root: √ and try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)
miglo said:
… so then you have sqrt(1-1-x^2)
which would give you sqrt(-x^2)

nooo …

1 - (1 - x2) = 1 - 1 + x2 = x2 :wink:

(but anyway isn't it obvious that arcsin√(1 - x2) = arccos(x)? :confused:)
 
ohh wow, i totally didnt see that -1 while trying to work out this problem, thanks tiny-tim!

and no i don't see how that's obvious, after using sqrt(x^2) instead of sqrt(-x^2) i get as my answer to be -1/(sqrt(1-x^2)), which is the derivative of arccos, but i don't see how arcsin(sqrt(1-x^2))=arccos, care to explain?
 
"arcsin√(1 - x2) = arccos(x)"

is another way of saying that the angle (in [0,π/2) anyway) whose cos is x is the angle whose sin is √(1 - x2) :smile:

isn't it? :wink:
 
oh man i was never really good with trigonometry, could this also be explained using the pythagorean theorem? but anyways thanks again, ill keep this in mind, hopefully itll make sense to me soon
 
miglo said:
oh man i was never really good with trigonometry, could this also be explained using the pythagorean theorem?

yes, but better would be to learn all the standard trigonometric identities …

in this case, cos2 + sin2 = 1 :wink:
 

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