Simply connected vs. non-simply connected

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The discussion centers on the concepts of simply connected and non-simply connected spaces within the context of Robertson-Walker spacetimes and their implications in cosmology and relativity. Participants explore definitions, examples, and the potential effects of different topological structures on observational phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references O'neill's definition of Robertson-Walker spacetimes and questions whether it is non-standard, particularly regarding the requirement for the manifold to be simply connected.
  • Another participant suggests that the manifold S does not need to be simply connected, citing the 3-torus as an example of a non-simply connected space that could still be used in this context.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of non-simply connected spaces, such as the possibility of observing the same stars from multiple directions, and the potential for exotic topologies like \(\mathbb{R}P^3\) to be considered in cosmological models.
  • A participant expresses interest in understanding the differences between living in a simply connected versus a multiply connected universe, seeking examples similar to those found in closed versus flat universes.
  • There is mention of observational efforts to rule out spatial periodicities in the universe, but uncertainty remains about the existence of such structures on scales beyond current observational limits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of simply connected spaces in Robertson-Walker spacetimes, with some open to the inclusion of non-simply connected topologies. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the implications of these topologies for cosmological models.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in current understanding and observational capabilities regarding the topology of the universe, particularly concerning the existence of periodicities and the implications of different topological structures.

Who May Find This Useful

Mathematics and physics students, researchers in cosmology and topology, and those interested in the implications of different manifold structures in relativity and observational astronomy may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello,

I'm a mathematics student specializing in (semi-)Riemannian geometry and relating this to relativity. My main reference is O'neill's "Semi-Riemanninan Geometry with Applications to Relativity".

This book defines the Robertson-Walker spacetime as follows:

Let [tex]S[/tex] be a connected three-dimensional Riemanninan manifold of constant curvature [tex]k = -1,0,1[/tex]. Let [tex]f>0[/tex] be a smooth function on an open interval [tex]I[/tex] in [tex]R_1^1[/tex] Then the warped product [tex]M(k,f) = I \times_f S[/tex] is called a RW spacetime. Explicitly [tex]M(k,f)[/tex] is the manifold [tex]I\times S[/tex] with line element [tex]-dt^2+ f^2(t)d\sigma^2[/tex] where [tex]d\sigma^2[/tex] is the line element of [tex]S[/tex].

Is this a non-standard definition? From what I can see on wiki, the manifold should be simply connected. Further, does this definition imply that [tex]M[/tex] is orientable?

Because, from this definition [tex]\mathbb{R}P^3 \times I[/tex] would be a RW spacetime, even though it is not simply connected. Which leads me to the following; [tex]S^3[/tex] and [tex]\mathbb{R}P^3[/tex] are locally "the same" but globally quite different. What relativistic implications would not being simply connected have on the spacetime? I guess you essentially could see the same stars from two(or more) different directions. Are there any other important differences?

Thank you.
 
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Module,
Starting from what GJ said (taking for granted we agree on that) there is still the question of "simply connected". I do not think that S is required to be simply-connected: for example a 3-torus would be OK, and is sometimes taken as an illustrative example. That would not be simply connected. (GJ uses it as an example of flat, or zero curvature, in that other thread.)

So if T3 (cross a time interval) is allowed then the real projective space that you mentioned would also be allowed. I would certainly think!

That doesn't mean that working cosmologists seriously consider exotic topologies like that.
RW spacetimes are a broad category, about which Robertson Walker proved a theorem.

The standard cosmo model is not some very general thing like an RW. It is more like "FLRW" for Friedmann Robertson Walker Lemaître, and more specifically the case they mostly considered is called LCDM for Lambda (the cosmo const.) Cold Dark Matter.

An observational effort has been made (Cornish Spergel and others) to rule out spatial periodicities out to the greatest possible distance. But of course one cannot say anything past a certain distance, there could be periodicity on such a large scale that we can't see it and never will be able to see it.

As a mathematician you have the freedom to consider such possibilities.

I have nothing substantive to say beyond what GJ said already. Just want to communicate the idea that I'm mildly open to non-simply-connected spatial topologies and appreciate your question.
 
Thank you for your replys. I did read about the dodacahedral, and it is indeed really interesting.

Now, instead of asking if our universe in fact has a non-trivial topology, I ask - what would be different if we lived on T^3 or RP^3?

As an example: a difference between a closed universe and a flat universe is that we can see mirror images of stars in a closed one.

Can you think of "similar" examples between simply connected and multiply connected?

(I know there are problems around the existence of Dirac particles, but I would prefer an answer which is more in layman's terms)
 

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