Sink or float, high density low pressure VS low density high pressure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between density, pressure, and buoyancy, particularly in the context of objects submerged in fluids like seawater at varying depths. Participants explore whether high pressure can enable a normally sinking high-density object to float in a low-density fluid.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if high pressure in a low-density fluid, such as deep ocean water, could allow a high-density object to float, despite the object's typical behavior of sinking in lower pressure conditions.
  • Another participant asserts that pressure does not influence buoyancy; rather, it is the density of the fluid that determines whether an object will float or sink.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while liquids are generally incompressible, the increase in pressure can compress the object itself, potentially increasing its density and making it more likely to sink.
  • One participant firmly states that density is the sole factor that determines buoyancy, dismissing the possibility of dense objects floating in less dense fluids.
  • A final participant expresses gratitude for the discussion, indicating a personal understanding of the topic while acknowledging the hope for unexpected insights.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of pressure versus density on buoyancy, with no consensus reached on whether high pressure can enable a high-density object to float in a low-density fluid.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexities of buoyancy, including the effects of pressure on both fluids and objects, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions about the relationship between pressure and density in determining buoyancy.

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Normally, an object with a high density will sink in a fluid with low density. What if, as depth increases, as in the case of the ocean, the pressure really gets cranked up -> Is it possible for a low-density, high-pressure fluid to float a high-density object, that, under normal conditions would sink in the low-density fluid?

The ocean is a perfect example. Though its density doesn't change much with depth, its pressure gets huge by the time you get to the bottom of the seafloor. At the the surface of the ocean, anything with more density than seawater sinks, but could such an increase in pressure cause a normally sinking object to float in deep ocean depths before it hits the sea floor? Can high pressure, alone, cause things to float? Or will, density always rule, no matter the pressure, in determining whether an object sinks or floats in any medium?
 
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The pressure doesn't matter. It's whether or not the density of the liquid increases to the point that it surpasses the object.
 
Albertgauss said:
Normally, an object with a high density will sink in a fluid with low density. What if, as depth increases, as in the case of the ocean, the pressure really gets cranked up -> Is it possible for a low-density, high-pressure fluid to float a high-density object, that, under normal conditions would sink in the low-density fluid?

If anything, it's the other way around. Liquids don't generally compress, so the density of the fluid doesn't increase much with increasing depth and pressure, hence no increase in buoyancy with depth. However, the increase in pressure can compress the object, increasing its density and therefore making it more likely to sink.

For example: Most people, if their lungs are full of air, will float to the surface from a depth of three meters under water. At a depth of 100 meters, the higher pressure compresses the chest cavity and the lungs enough that the overall density becomes greater than that of water, and the human body sinks even with full lungs.
 
Density is the only important factor, sorry, it is definitely not possible to have dense objects float in less dense ones.
 
I got it everyone. Thanks for your help. I think I kind of knew, but one can always hope for surprises.
 

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