Sinusoidal waves and Maxwell eqns

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between sinusoidal waves and Maxwell's equations, specifically exploring the concept of a restoring force analogous to that in simple harmonic motion. Participants examine whether self-inductance and capacitance can be viewed as inertia and stiffness in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the source of the restoring force in Maxwell's equations, drawing parallels to mechanics where mass and stiffness are involved.
  • Another participant suggests that the "springiness of space" may be a relevant concept in understanding these dynamics.
  • There is a mention of the Helmholtz equation resembling the equation for a spatial simple harmonic oscillator.
  • Some participants propose that the interaction between the electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields, as described by Maxwell's equations, creates a form of harmonic motion.
  • One participant reiterates the need to clarify where the restoring force originates, indicating that the initial question may not have been fully addressed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the restoring force in Maxwell's equations, with no consensus reached on its origin or the analogy to mechanical systems.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the analogy between mechanical systems and electromagnetic fields, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or elaborated upon.

fisico30
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hello!,

question about Maxwell equations:

a linear restoring force causes simple harmonic motion. In Maxwell equations, what is this restoring force due to? In mechanics to mass and stiffness. do self inductance and capacitance the inertia and the stiffness?
HElmholtz eqn resembles the equation for the spatial simple harmonic oscillator.

thanks!
fisico30
 
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Hi fisico30! :smile:
granpa said:
the springiness of space.

Yeah … and lambs gambol around the fields because of the springiness of time! :rolleyes:
fisico30 said:
a linear restoring force causes simple harmonic motion. In Maxwell equations, what is this restoring force due to? In mechanics to mass and stiffness.

do self inductance and capacitance the inertia and the stiffness?
HElmholtz eqn resembles the equation for the spatial simple harmonic oscillator.

I think it's basically because Maxwell's equations show that the two fields are reacting against each other … the E field pulls the B field, and vice versa …

curl E ~ -∂B/∂t, and curlB ~ ∂E/∂t …

and this physical connection between the fields gives the shm. :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi fisico30! :smile:

I think it's basically because Maxwell's equations show that the two fields are reacting against each other … the E field pulls the B field, and vice versa …

curl E ~ -∂B/∂t, and curlB ~ ∂E/∂t …

and this physical connection between the fields gives the shm. :smile:

and? I think the op already knew that much. he's asking where the 'restoring force' comes from.
 

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